Photo of Mitch McConnell in Front of a Confederate Flag Resurfaces Amid Northam Yearbook Controversy

You choose not to understand.

Not unlike an Islamophobe, you instead engage in narrow knee-jerk condemnation of that which you choose not to understand.

You're too smart for such tunnel vision, or so I thought.

 

No doubt they consistently mention it as their top concern and never gave any other specific issue the same level of importance. It was THE chief reason they provided and they specifically identified it as THE chief reason, in their own words.

 

Nonsense.

I've learned that closed minds remain closed until their possessors choose to open them.

Good luck if that's the choice you make.

 

You can quote history, but you choose not to fully understand it.

As I said, you're much too smart for such narrow-mindedness.

 

That's a creative way of saying "I refuse to consider the facts," but to each their own. I'll stick with objective truth and you can stick to make believe. If you ever want to consider actual history while talking about, you know, history, the facts will be waiting for you.

 

Important issue, but in this context, a red herring.

You can choose to understand what the flag represents to different people, or continue to fool yourself into thinking you're being reasonable.

Your choice.

 

Your mind is closed to the facts and history of what the flag represents to different people.

That knee-jerk may be intellectual paralysis.

You can continue throwing out red herrings, or choose to understand.

It's your choice.

 

Yardmeat, just to see if you're consistent...

Do you believe that the Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial, all statuary of W.T. Sherman, all monuments to A. Jackson, etc. should be dismantled, destroyed or removed to museums because they represent wanton terrorism, serial rape, genocide, racism and other crimes against individuals and humanity?

 

You have yet to introduce a single "fact of history." I've provided you with several, all of which you have ignored. You still have the chance to have an honest discussion about the facts of history if you wish, but so far you have steadfastly declined. The Vice President of the Confederacy said it was about slavery. You refuse to comment. The Confederate states said it was about slavery. You refuse to comment.

 

Educate yourself or remain in your narrow dark world. You've provided nothing but red herrings. You can honestly pursue understanding if you wish, but so far, red herrings. Red herring. Because it's a red herring. Red herring. <- See here.

Instead of understanding the flag's many different meanings, you choose to condemn it and those who may embrace these differing meanings.

If you choose to open your mind, you can learn much.

 

No answer I see...

YM, do you only selectively condemn?

In addition to the above, do you condemn the Hebrew Bible, Koran, Christian Bible and other such works because they have disturbing, bigoted and outrageous content?

Do you condemn those who embrace these books and religions?

Should Huck Finn and Mein Kampf be banned, and condemned along with those who may read or study them?

Should de Beauvoir's work be banned and condemned because she was a sexual predator?

Sartre as well?

Should those who read/study their work be condemned?

Should the work of brilliant monster Malcolm X be banned, and those who study it be condemned?

The same for Eldridge Cleaver?

Should those who celebrate Kwanzaa be condemned, and the holiday banned because its creator was a violent criminal?

Curious to see how consistent you are, but I'm guessing you'll ignore these queries, or just toss out more red herrings.

Selective condemnation...

 

You're right, the same folks who are ok with it in 2019.

 

Yup like Jon Legend and Bill Maher. Why has no democrats in Virginia done anything regarding Justin Fairfax?

 

“In a stunning move days after state lawmakers openly discussed potential impeachment proceedings against Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax, Democratic members of the Virginia House of Delegates said the drastic option should no longer be considered.

Fairfax (D) was once seen as the heir apparent to embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, after the governor became embroiled in controversy surrounding a racist yearbook photo and his admitted use of blackface.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wu...entId=65-80359f96-c132-49f9-9600-e5deb28a2b41

Bet those same people didn’t feel the same about Kanvaughn

 

You sure you got that number right?

 

What about the photo of Hillary in front of a burning cross?

 

"I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide," Fairfax said. "I have passed two full, field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before... I will not resign."

He thinks fbi background checks means he’s okay...... Nope Kavanaugh had like 7 FBI background checks and people still didn’t believe him

“Del. Patrick Hope (D-Arlington) first announced on Feb. 8 he would introduce articles of impeachment if the lieutenant governor did not step down. After a draft of the articles circulated among lawmakers, members of the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus said the move was too extreme, without providing Fairfax enough time to defend himself.”

So basically all the indignation about Kavanaugh by Democrats was fake because when they are put to the test with one of their own they don’t care.

The state of Virginia government is a joke

 

Thank Mr. Lincoln for that, he didn't have to try and force those slave states back into the Union with their slavery intact.

Non-sequitor and else so would be standing in front of the American flag.

 

I have, and I've shared that education with you. I can share more if you like. The difference between you history denialists and real historians is that the real historians are actually willing to discuss historical facts.

You've refused to discuss any historical fact. You've refused to discuss the articles of secession of any state. You've refused to discuss the words of other contemporary Confederates, including the Vice President. Likewise, you can't discuss the Constitution of the Confederacy, or the fact that these states called themselves "the slaveholding states," or the words of any of the secession commissioners, or Bloody Kansas, or the Crittenden Compromise. You refuse to identify any other specific issue that the Confederates placed as much importance on. Not a single one. You refuse to discuss any historical event or document of the time period.

Then you don't understand what that phrase means.

After you learn the motives of the Confederacy, maybe learn what a "red herring" is.

And now, after running away from anything resembling an attempt to understand history, you go for moving the goalposts. I wish I could say I'm surprised. Meanwhile, back in reality, I've never denied that people use the flag to mean other things. I've said as much in this thread and several others. Most of the people who wave the flag today aren't racist. They are just historically illiterate.

By "open your mind" you apparently mean "ignore the facts." No, I'm not going to ignore facts. If this were really about open minds you'd be willing and able to state your case. You can't. All you can do is try to convince me to ignore historical facts while trying to argue that the offense you take to these facts make the facts somehow "bigoted."

If you can even vaguely attempt to address any of the historical facts presented or present some of your own, maybe you can give some indication that you are interested in a debate instead of just scrambling and trolling. I won't hold my breath.

 

I haven't suggested taking down any monument of anyone, Confederate or not. If you are going to troll, at least git gud. As far as excuses for ignoring historical facts go, this one is particularly sad and pathetic.

 

Lincoln did not fire the first shot - those traitors in the south did.

All real Americans salute the American flag, not the Dixie flag of treason and terrorism.

 

He made the first move to blockade a port, an act of war. Did so while there were onging negotiations to turn it over. He crossed the border to attack the Confederate capital and capture it's leaders to force the slave states back into the Union. Had he not there would have been no war, all the Confederacy wanted was to be left alone.

So to all those deaths, thank you Mr. Lincoln.

 

When Lincoln was elected he had to go to Washington DC under disguise because southern traitors threatened to kill him.

 

Is that defined as blacks who speak proper English and hold steady jobs?

It seems the more and more I hear the term, its usually described for those who act... normal.

Russell Wilson, Kobe, Charles Barkley to name a few. Or are those just black dudes who dont fall for the groupthink?

 

Wow....a Confederate flag at a Sons of the Confederate Veterans event in the 1990's......who would have thunked.