About 100 Russian milityry personal now in Venezuela!

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    Yeah....your point??
     
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    And skirmishers were just that: skirmishers. No skirmish line won any battle in the Revolutionary War. Battles were won or lost by Line Infantry, and it continued to be that way until the Franco-Prussian War, the first war where both major combatants had troops armed with rapid-fire breech loading rifles. And for note, both of those armies adopted breech loading rifles in the 1850's and were armed with rifles muskets for decades before that. You are flat wrong with your claim that armies kept using smooth bore muskets into the 1860's. Rifled muskets had already become common weapons by the time of Napolean.

    Hell, the Minié Ball (not "mini-ball") was invented by Claude Minié, a French inventor, for the Minié Rifle, which was used in the Crimean War in 1853, and predated by another French design that was in service since 1848. The Crimean War also saw the first use of railroads in war, modern logistics, telegraphs in warfare, observation balloons, trench warfare, and ironclad warships.

    Indirect artillery fire had been around for centuries. Submarines saw prototypes in the Revolutionary War and the Napoleonic Wars. Rifles had been widely used in warfare since the Seven Years War.

    Seriously, you are massively wrong on military history.
     
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    They would have zero reason to use an aircraft carrier and bringing up their aircraft carrier in this context just makes the poster look massively ignorant.
     
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    Supporting them against whom? Is there any non thuggish Islamic regime?
    You clearly know little of democracy, history or human rights.

    But it's always nice to hear from our friends in the Third World.
     
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    Iran was never a democracy, now was Vietnam or Cuba. As you know most ME countries are run by religious freaks disallowing proper educations for their people, who'd still be living on sand if it wasn't for the west. Who does support the democracies then, considering their numbers have grown during the American century?

    We can easily eliminate Russia, Germany, China and Japan, any of the backward countries in the Middle East, along with the Swiss and Scandinavians and any South or Central America Country. In fact, with Japan and a couple of other exceptions, Asia and Africa are complete busts. Keep guessing.

    What information have you been given? Have you been told Germany
     
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    You are aware that the Franco-Prussian War took place five years after the American Civil War.
     
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    Yes, and the Franco-Prussian War had everything the Civil War (except submarines, or rather "submarine") had but actually included things like breech loaded field guns, breech loaded rifles (allowing skirmish tactics to actually be used by all infantry), real modern fire and maneuver tactics, and (a key thing the Civil War was missing) a modern conscription/reserve system and centralized staff office directing war plans. It was the first real modern war.
     
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    Some Union forces usually cavalry had repeating rifles using metallic cartridges.

    In 1863 Gen. Grant requested that the Commandant of the Marine Corps provide one regiment of sharpshooters armed with rifled muskets.

    The Commandant refused to do so and went to President Lincoln with the argument that Marines only know how to fight using a skirmish line unlike the Army.

    Lincoln sided with the Commandant of the Marine Corps and Grant never got his regiment of Marine sharpshooters.

    Back in the day as today all Marines are marksmen.
    Marines were trained to shoot from the riggings of sail warships which were moving and swaying and bobbing onto the decks of enemy warships that were also moving.
     
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    Not in any kind of significant numbers. Nearly every single soldier in the Franco-Prussian War had a breech-loading rifle.

    Apocryphal. Grant had plenty of units of Army sharpshooters and they already fought in skirmish order.
     
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    I have news for you, Guiado's car was attacked yesterday. The people hate him. But of course the propaganda outlets say the opposite, otherwise they wouldn't be propaganda outlets.
     
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    How true, and yet we could still prosper if only we could accept the new situation and work with it. But that's beyond them.



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    for we are gods of lofty see,
    and dwellest not like folks below
    who knowest not, but what we show. Jeannette
     
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    Russia can do war close to home, but they can’t do much further out. Aircraft carrier is a must if you want to do real war far away.
    Russians have no such capabilities.
     
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    Hardly.....the russkis cou


    Why wouldn't they?? Or anyone else for that matter....if there was no plane transport or too few.....ships, ACCs, hovercrafts, can carry shitload of manpower...albeit slower.
     
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    Bolton is human garbage - no doubt about it.
     
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    Since when has US foreign policy been about promoting freedom and democracy. Give me a break.

    Chile ? Nope
    El Salvador Nope
    Nicaragua Nope
    Guatemala Nope
    East Timor Nope
    Iraq Nope
    Libya Nope
    Syria Nope
    Afghanistan Nope
    Honduras Nope
     
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    Russia is there to prop up a brutal dictator. So no, there is no comparing this to us "playing in Russia's front yard" or whatever you called it.

    But that doesn't bother Putin any, of course. He will continue to make these moves to impress a certain audience and further embarrass us and force us into these difficult and unwinnable situations.

    Trump, for his part, seems to have set us up to fail here by coming out so strongly against Maduro without a plan to back that up. Now he wants to paint a red line of his own and dare Putin to cross it, which he obviously will do because he can, and again it will benefit him at our expense and at the expense of the people of Venezuela. The real tragedy is that Russia is stepping in to support undemocratic regimes and turning them into puppet regimes of their own. They are in a good position to do this by using us as a foil, setting themselves up as a protector against regime-change-happy America.
     
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    You can't point just at Saudi Arabia and generalize based on that. Saudi Arabia is one of those places we rely on strategically and one that is far away from becoming democratic. While it is hypocritical of us to support their ridiculous regime as it stands, there are reasons for doing so. Personally, I don't think we should be doing that, but for some odd reason we don't seem to get politicians who will change this, presumably because Saudi Arabia doesn't usually engage in anything bad enough for most Americans to take much notice and get very upset about it. The lone exceptions in recent times have been Saudi aggression against civilians in Yemen and the Crown Prince's ordered killing of Khashoggi, but it seems no one has the attention span to let that make much of an impact. They're too busy worrying about politicians' stances on other issues to let that decide their votes, anyway. With just two parties, we don't get that many options...
     
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    Not? Strange ... since when is Georgia ... where you are dancing around ... suddenly a real democracy?
     
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    Correct ... these was never a democracy in Iran, Cuba and Vietnam ... but you supported them and their "El Presidento" and gave a crap on any democracy here!
    Correct ... most of the ME countries are this way as you write ... but you, the USA support this all, because you call them your freinds and so giving a damn and crap on this bad things, not to forget democracy!

    So ... have you any right to accuse Russia for supporting Maduro with reason that he is a dictator? Isn't this rediculous and lame reasoned, eh?

    Yes you can ... but some of them can do this in military, conventional or even nuclear point with you too ... and in economic point of you, many can do this with you ... and if they ally together, you will be crushed like you was never crushed before!
     
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    Where did you smear them in Syria ... in which wet dream again?
     
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    If the US Marines on behalf of Washington again want to make a criminal war of aggression, then these 100 Russians will die and take as many Marines as possible .... before the World War III breaks out and we must look for a new planet in the universe ,

    But if only 100 Marines come, then 100 Marines die ... I would boldly say.
     
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    Oh, well ... this fake news do you mean ...

    Truth:
    There was a minor incident in which US soldiers operating illegally in Syria opened the fire on Russian soldiers legally residing in the country ... then got into severe distress when the Russians pissed off and the Americans were about to be annihilated ... then request air support, which then saves their asses.

    And the Americans can be glad that the Russians did not actively fight the US planes ... because the Russians are not warmongers!
     
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    Who is "brutal dictator"? Maduro?
    Why is he "brutal"?
    And why is he "dictator"?
     
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    I seriously don't care either way. The Venezuelans were all too happy to crap all over the US over the last decade. Let them rot under their tinpot dictator.

    I agree with Ilhan Omar. Let's just sit back and watch them starve.
     

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