Like Pope Francis, Democrat Questions if Trump is a Christian

Trumps Religion is Social Darwinism which is an anathema to the teachings of Jesus.

 

Some of these are tough questions but I will give it a shot.

1) Yes - There is much money to be made in such times.
2) To reduce competition ? just a shot in the dark.
3) Do the International bankers do this ?
4) They don't back high taxes - not unless they have loopholes to get around these taxes. They back high taxes on the middle class. Regulations often protect the Oligopolies.
5) No clue what this is all about - what programs are these ?

 

First, let me say ahead of time, I'm NOT an economist. In college, economics & business were among the LEAST interesting subjects for me, & I avoided them as much as possible. But, over the years I've managed to pick up bits of info here & there, perhaps by osmosis, that have worked for me. But I don't pretend to be an expert, nor do I harbor any desire to be one.
1. In a capitalist economy, Bankers control much of the fluid & structural wealth. So, during a crashed economy, they can seize properties &/or wealth tied up with delinquent contracts, which could enrich them at the expense of their own customers. But other than that, I have no idea why bankers would consider such despicable actions. To do so in a socialist or communist country could be even more dangerous for them.
2. If the banking leaders don't feel threatened by communism, then supporting it as a means of producing a financial competitor can help produce new defense-minded businesses--all dependent upon themselves, especially in the early years.
3. I have no idea. Such behavior would be contrary to simple logic.
4. I see no sensible reason for them to do this. It would be destructive to them & highly illogical.
5. Since the majority of banking customers today are corporations, not families, then bank execs might feel the family business is a legitimate loss for the potential corporate gain. As with so much of business thinking, there might be a lack of interest or concern how the breakup of families might impact them & the rest of society over time.

 

Like anyone cares about the judgment of a man who protects pedophiles.

 

1. I agree with your #1 post. It acknowledges two important aspects of our physical reality: Nothing (physical) lasts forever; and the one constant in life, is change.
2. I think your #2 post is semi-valid. First, I believe the new generation of "Democratic Socialists," like Bernie Sanders, care deeply about both democracy & individual rights. But, I also agree with you that there are socialists out there who don't. But the same could be said about followers or supporters of any other economic system. I've known many "capitalists" in my life who regard human rights as an impediment to their business & both worker & customer safety issues an infringement on their personal business rights. All this demonstrates that anything involving humans is subject to human nature. We can complain about socialism forcing us into some actions we disagree with, but truth is, capitalism does precisely the same thing. In terms of being forced into uncomfortable places, all economic systems shares that negative trait. But socialism offers some benefits to its citizens not offered by capitalism alone or communism. I personally believe a smoothly working combination of capitalism plus socialism together is the best answer.

 

1. This is a false issue. No one is endorsing or supporting infanticide. I am strongly Pro-Choice & that accusation is both repugnant & totally false.
2. True Christians abide by the Commandment: "Judge ye not others." Jesus experienced the worst elements of mankind, yet rose above the urge to judge them. If Christianity amounts to anything more than simply believing in Jesus as the Christ, then Christians must learn to live the path Jesus exemplified for us. That road includes becoming loving, accepting & non-judgmental toward others--not an easy path for most, but one, I think, Pope Francis is trying to follow.

 

There is only one person who can answer if Trump is a Christian. That is the answer a true Christian would give. If living a sin free life was a requirement of being a Christian, there would be none.

But I guess if one had to make a guess based on the premise of appearance alone, I would say we haven't had a Christian president since Bush and neither HC or Trump appeared to be able to break that trend.

 

Thank you for the compliments. I hope I can live up to them. I'd be happy to respond to your posts, if you can be patient with me on timing. My time on this forum is intermittent & often not schedule-able. Also, you'll have to direct me to the posts you want me to consider.

 

But they DO seem to like someone who maintains a policy of PERMANENTLY splitting infants from mothers for the misdemeanor of crossing our border without permission, and creating orphans.

 

I just can’t bring myself to trust politicians who buy votes in bulk quantities with phantom dollars. Yes, that’s all politicians not just Sanders.

 

I'm in the same boat... small business owner. I'm older myself, but remarried to a younger woman and we have 3 kids under 10... so I'm super busy

The reason I asked you about those issues as they relate to the International Bankers, Central Bankers, the "Establishment", is b/c everything you believe as a Democrat springs from them.

FDR's New Deal... highly socialist in nature, completely unconstitutional, and absolutely none of it originated with FDR. It was put together many years before the crash by the Money Trust, and was actually submitted to Hoover in 1930 as a list of demands, i.e. "implement this agenda, and we'll see to it you are reelected. Don't? And we'll have you removed as President.

The best book to read on the genesis of all these things is Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. Quigley was a mentor to Bill Clinton at Georgetown University.

Out of time for now, will try to get back as soon as I can.

 

Those are some pretty good takes... I'll expound.

There are the obvious profits that can be made from what can be described as the ultimate "smash and grab".

But there's much more to it than that. The American people were very firmly entrenched in Americanism, i.e. strictly limited government.

Without a "crisis" to motivate and spur them, they would never have gone along with the New Deal.

With The New Deal, i.e. socialistic control seeds planted in the FedGov, and the accompanying perversions of the Constitution, the Robber Barrons brilliantly positioned themselves to use the power of government to enrich and empower themselves at the expense of the people.

Much has been made about the motivations of the German Bankers who staked Lenin and started The Bolshevik Revolution.

The "official" explanation is that it was to stem the 2nd front and free Germany up to fight on one front; but, Central Bankers, especially the Rothschilds, don't think or act in such ways. Nationalism or patriotism means nothing to them.

They were looking for a country they could take over and gain a foothold from which to launch revolution on an international scale.

Russia was backward, there was already revolution in the air... it was the perfect opportunity for them to take advantage of.

Yes. No social, economic, and political makeover would have any staying power without the masses being indoctrinated.

As they operate in all theaters, they dangle money and position - lower ladders of advancement - to academics who possess the "proper" revolutionary, anti American philosophies that will be taught to the "skills of mush", who will then in turn, spread that intellectual poison into the heartland.

All they needed do is focus in the elite schools, i.e. the teachers who teach the teachers.

The Foundation system they set up at the same time as the Income Tax, has been used to fund and advance all manner of left wing agendas and academics.

Yes... especially with respect to regulations.

Going back 100's of years, leftwing literature is consistent in attacking the family.

Karl Marx states explicitly in the Communist Manifesto that the family should be abolished.

To that end, any social program that interjects itself into the family unit is useful in breaking that family up, or ensuring that it continues to dysfunction as a single parent home.

Welfare, food stamps, feminism, social security, feminism, Medicare, abortion, etc, etc.

All of these things, and more, are attacks upon the family unit.

 

Who’s fault is that? Did trump make the people of Central America hand their children over to smugglers, so they can eventually game the system?

 

Fair enough. Nobody who did any real vetting of Barack Obama BELIEVED that Barack actually was a Christian. There is no law that Trump be Christian either. Both men are utterly free to lie all they want regarding their religious beliefs, if any.

 

There is much here. I have studied some of this stuff. The Establishment is both Red and Blue - political and bureaucratic elite. At the top are the big money interests who control foreign and domestic policy.

I call it an Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion monster. Extreme Socialism and Extreme Capitalism meet at the far end of the spectrum - in both cases you have a few elite owning/controlling most resource and means of production. Somehow we have managed to combine some of the worst elements of both into a nasty monster.

It is not some star chamber or "cabal" - there are different big money interests and they compete with each other - often conflicting. The Establishment cares not about "Hot Button issues" - Abortion, gay marriage, guns, immigration and so on. This servers to keep the masses divided - keeps them voting for one party because they hate the other so much. The Establishment cares about money.

If one wants to understand the Establishment you look not to the disagreements - but what all sides agree on. Like in physics - when forces line up in the same direction the ball moves in that direction.

Not sure whether it is completely focused on breaking up the family - it is more to keep the masses distracted - and working like dogs - which of course has an effect on the family.

Every time some regulation or tax law is being made an Oligopoly is sitting at the table. The problem is that the fellow who is supposed to be representing the people is either in the pocket of- or influence by the Oligopoly. It is not like they win every table but, over time - table after table - the rules of the game get skewed in favor of the Oligopoly.

The Establishment hates the founding principles - essential liberty "above the legitimate authority of Gov't" - the safeguards are being systematically removed. The Establishment is about increasing Gov't power - not limiting it. Lately the attack on freedom of speech, information, freedom of the press has been the order of the day- that and censorship in the name of "Russiagate".

It is now our "Patriotic Duty" to trade essential liberty for Security. Obama then changed the name of the Patriot act to the equally Orwellian doublespeak - "Freedom Act".

In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens. The total budget (including 50 Billion for "dark project spending") is 130 Billion. This is double the entire federal spend of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power. Most of this money goes to defense contractors - Military Industrial Complex.

The Establishment hates fair and free markets. They love big Gov't, big Gov't spending, and big deficits and debt.

 

No. I don't blame anyone for actions they have no control over. But no one forced Trump to separate families at the border, who were trying to immigrate here. That was a policy change approved by Trump himself, and even in the past few days, endorsed by him again as a "successful" policy. I feel it's equivalent to kidnapping.

 

From my atheist point of view, I recognize him as one of us. An atheist. But unlike most of us, one who pretends to be a Christian for convenience. I have seen many.

It's different how anybody perceives him. A true Catholic is obligated to perceive him as "Excomunicato" (as he was excommunicated by Pope Francis). Other Christians will judge according to how his actions conform to their own religious belief. If they consider that separating innocent children who have done nothing wrong from their parents and putting them in cages, without the slightest intention of ever reuniting them again, is ordained by Christ, then I guess they could consider him a Christian

 

Wrong. Child separation has been in place since the Obama admin. The whole photo of kids in cages was from the Obama’s era.

 

Yes, but that's not the whole story. Obama had no policy of separating children from their parents at the border. Obama faced the unprecedented situation of having parents separate themselves from their children in Mexico (or their home country) & send their children on alone across our border, so when they arrived & were intercepted by border authorities, the children were alone without parents already, and we had to come up with some way of keeping them housed, fed & taken care of until solutions to their situation could be devised. Obama NEVER had a policy of separating young children from parents. Trump does.

 

False! There was no child separation during Obama. Unaccompanied children were put in adult facilities for a short period of time due to an unexpected surge in 2014. This was an emergency and temporary decision made at lower levels. Not a policy.

So wrong!

 

Swing, and a miss.
https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/amp/
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages” depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures. Here’s what one detainment facility looks like today:

Feel free to apologize anytime.

 

Trump is a CINO. In fact, he is born again, believe it? These guys are all alike, using religion as cover for themselves as they pilfer and lie away to beat the band. And born again to justify the new them, all forgiven so they can start the crap all over again.

 

That's a blatant lie. The cages may have existed, but across the board seperation of families was a TRUMP policy, never an Obama policy unless it was suspected the kids didn't belong to the accompanying adults.

But lying with what you alt-righties do, to be alt-right requires a buttload of self deception to begin with!

 

Yawn, already posted a source. Run along uniformed one.

 

More Trump "fake" news. He knows that his gullible base will eat it for lunch.