Like Pope Francis, Democrat Questions if Trump is a Christian

Good synopsis on the Roman Catholic Church’s history.

I am not a fan of organized religion involving itself directly in politics even if I share their beliefs. I believe Christians ought to be engaged on a personal level.

The main thing I dislike about Francis is his tendency to advocate for state sponsored socialism above charity.

Overall, he seems to distance himself from Biblical doctrine and side with politically correct ideologies.

The molestation business demonstrates political structure inside the Church is more important to him than justice and parishioners.

He just doesn’t seem to take the spiritual aspects of the position seriously.

 

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

 

Since the left seems to have a low opinion of religion, it is hard to imagine why they care if someone is or is not religious.

 

1. Thank you.
2. I agree with you & your #2 post here. Our founding framers agreed too. That's why we have the separation of church & state in our Constitution.
3. Pope Francis, like Bernie Sanders & AOC, doesn't see socialism as an evil force in the world. That's partly because he spent many years living & working in under a totalitarian regime. Francis learned to value human rights by witnessing life without them. If he sees the positives in socialism, what are conservatives in America failing to see?
4. Please define "politically correct ideologies."
5. I agree Francis has been inordinately late, and weak, in addressing this huge issue.
6. Please define what YOU regard as the "spiritual aspects of the position."

Although I'm not Catholic, I do admire many aspects of Pope Francis as a man & as a religious leader. But, like the rest of us, he's human. And, humans are prone to errors. I admire Francis' concentration on the poor & disadvantaged. I also agree with his support for governmental social help programs. Francis regards every human individual as special in the eyes of God, and even though I'm not Catholic, I agree. I disagree with Francis regarding women priests, and I believe the simplest & final answer to the molestation problem is to end the practice of celibacy.

 

We solve all sorts of problems as a group. We don't go down to the bridge construction site and hand the workers a few dollars.

We know from decades of experience that individual contributions are nowhere close to sufficient. And, there is no organization that can possibly effect even coverage of the need.

There is still plenty of need for local help. Catholic Charities, local churches, synagogues, mosques and other organizations usually offer first line help.

 

Don't think it will be... hope it would be, but I doubt it.

Democrats don't care about "life"... for them, infanticide is part of "choice".

For the more radical among them, they'd slaughter every infant in the country before they'd vote for a Republican; and, for the rest, they simply don't care enough to be informed. They vote for the Democrat no matter who it is, or what they say or do.

 

The marriage of religion and government is an unhappy one without the recourse of divorce. Things invariably sour when either meddles in the others domaine. Jesus was a wise philosopher, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's".

 

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That sounds remarkably like separation of church & state.

 

European countries tend to implement socialist policies and have close association with the Church.

"The term socialist has been thrown around quite a bit in the past few years. Not since the cold war has the term garnered so much attention in the press and from politicians. But when you look at countries who actually have a socialist economic structure, you can see some similarities to the United States – but there are some really stark differences.

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

• China
• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium"
• http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

 

• 77 percent of voters support legislation to ensure that a baby who survives a failed abortion be given the same medical treatment as any other baby born prematurely at the same age.
• 62 percent of voters oppose legislation to allow late-term abortions, even up to the point when a woman is in labor.

You don't get those kind of numbers without bipartisan support. Among office holders, I think you are right, but, among rank and file, I think you will find a much more sensible positioning.

McLaughlin & Associates conducted the survey of 1,000 likely general election voters nationwide between February 6 and 10, 2019. All interviews were conducted online; survey invitations were distributed randomly within predetermined geographic units. These units were structured to correlate with actual voter turnout nationwide in a general election. The sample of 1,000 likely general election voters has an accuracy of +/- 3.1% at a 95% confidence interval.

 

Agreed. The sad part for me is seeing the impact of decades of American propaganda, that intentionally blurred the distinction between socialist & communist societies. We were in a Cold War with several communist countries, but we brainwashed our own people into believing socialist countries were basically the same as communist ones, which is totally false. Today, I see this confusion still at work here, and even worse, I see conservative capitalists taking advantage of that confusion for their own purposes, & continuing to sustain the confusion rather than clarify it. Except for China, in your list, every country adheres to strict policies respondent to human rights & individual freedoms, certainly a strong as we enjoy here--perhaps more. Yet, the conservative, ultra-right can see, or admit, nothing good there simply because they are "socialist." That's beyond ignorant. It's NUTS.

 

I don't doubt that some Democrats might cringe at the thought of infanticide, and would even respond to a survey as you've indicated above.

That won't stop them from voting for Democrats who will push such murderous legislation.

We're talking about Democrats here... soulless monsters.

 

I think your fellow Americans may surprise you on this topic.

 

Hey XploreR... for the following, can you think of why:

1) would the International Bankers crash the economy and deliberately create a depression??

2) why would they bankroll and support communism??

3) why would they support and promote academics that proselytize socialism, and vilify capitalism??

4) why would they promote and back high taxes and excessive regulations on industries??

5) why would they promote policies and programs that attack and break up the family??

 

Socialism is not evil. It’s my belief the church around the time of Pentecost was likely the closest thing to pure socialism the world has ever seen. The problem is it didn’t last. It never does. Human nature won’t allow it. But it won’t allow capitalism or any other system to continue either.

But voluntary socialism I don’t have a problem with. I don’t think most conservatives do either. The problem is force. Most socialists want to use force. It’s ruined socialism’s reputation. I’m not aware of any scripture that hints at the idea of taking from others to help the needy. It’s always to be given voluntarily out of love. Most socialism pushed today is far from this ideal.

 

Being a Democrat, it's weird seeing posts accuse us of being "soulless monsters" because we support a mother's right to make a determination about abortion for herself during the first or second trimester of a pregnancy. As a Democrat & a Pro-Choice advocate, I DON'T support 3rd trimester abortions except in the case where the mother's life is endangered. But conservatives also think we're mushy bleeding hearts when we say we care about the poor, elderly & destitute financially. I can understand why they support Trump. They're just like him--they want everything their way, period.

 

No US bishop has ever refused communion to a politician who supports murder by abortion or now infanticide. It is difficult to take the Catholic church seriously.

 

More from Buttigieg on false Christians;

Pete Buttigieg: "Hypocrisy" of Evangelical Christians Supporting Trump Is "Unbelievable"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...istians_supporting_trump_is_unbelievable.html

"CHUCK TODD: You said something rather strong about the president, that you said, "It's hard to look at his actions and believe that they are the actions of somebody who believes in God." How do you square that assessment with the fact that the Evangelical Christian community is so devoted to his candidacy?

MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG: Well, it's something that really frustrates me because the hypocrisy is unbelievable. Here, you have somebody who not only acts in a way that is not consistent with anything that I hear in scripture or in church, where it's about lifting up the least among us and taking care of strangers, which is another word for immigrants. And making sure that you're focusing your effort on the poor. But also personally, how you're supposed to conduct yourself. Not chest thumping look-at-me-ism, but humbling yourself before others. Foot washing is one of the central images in the New Testament. And we see the diametric opposite of that in this presidency. I think there was perhaps a cynical process where he decided to, for example, begin to pretend to be pro-life and govern accordingly. Which was good enough to bring many Evangelicals over to his side. But even on the version of Christianity that you hear from the religious right, which is about sexual ethics, I can't believe that somebody who was caught writing hush money checks to adult film actresses is somebody they should be lifting up as the kind of person you want to be leading this nation."

 

I strongly doubt that Trump is really Christian. But I don't care, I'm not Christian either. Politicians often have to pretend to be Christian to avoid discrimination by Christian voters.

 

Well mayor Pete gets added to the list of progressives who possess not a shred of self awareness. Unbelievable.

 

Really? Evangelicals are not hypocrites?

 

I've read some of your posts, and I think you're one of those rarest of birds, i.e. a decent Democrat.

That said, I asked you those questions in the post above b/c I think you're decent enough to actually think about a given subject.

I've been at this a long time, and have worked in the freedom fight professionally. You're not seeing the full picture.

To be sure, no Democrat, by definition, understands why the beliefs and political positions they hold are wrong and dangerous - unless of course they are deliberately dishonest.

I've had some interesting and frank discussions with communists over the years, and I think many of them on the operational level understand, but the vast majority of Democrats and socialists have no clue.

As the old saying goes, "there is nothing new under the sun". Americas Founders understood how dangerous democracy was - and "socialism", even though the term did not exist at the time.

Would you take a stab at answering my questions in the other posts??

 

Socialism has to use force - laws are force.

Even if you get a majority of the population to "voluntarily" agree to socialistic controls, a sizable portion will not agree.

You will have no choice but to use the power of government to compel compliance, i.e. force.

Tyranny of the majority.

 

That’s how it always seems to end up.

 

the Amish are doing fine