Mueller's report looks bad for Obama

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    How do you prove he is innocent of obstruction and since when does the person have to prove their innocence ?
     
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    It was Medvedev and it was on his knee
     
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    No the fbi knew in 2015
     
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    No, he knowingly allowed them to continue meddling. Sounds like treason to me.
     
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    If it looks bad for Obama I would hate to be in Dirty Donalds shoes who it looks one helluva lot worse for!!!
     
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    Cut the crap! The fact is that hack-lackey Barr completely mis-lead the American People when he stated that Mueller didn't speak to obstruction charges and that it was left up to him to come up with the final verdict. . Mueller clearly stated that if he wanted to declare Trump's innocence on obstruction he would have done so. Mueller explained why he couldn't come up with a blanket statement declaring Trump guilty of obstruction and mentioned congress's capacity to look into the matter. Hack-Lackey Barr deliberately left those things out of his initial summary. You ignore the fact that Trump is the most investigated and corrupt president in our history. .You have no problem with Trump and his minions lying. deflecting, and using cover ups.

    There are a number of ongoing cases that will fall to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. One of the most prominent is around longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone, who was arrested in January 2019 as part of the Mueller investigation. He was charged with witness tampering and lying to Congress about his communications with WikiLeaks.


    Cohen pleaded guilty in August of 2018 to campaign finance violations and other financial crimes, admitting he made payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels to keep them quiet in the run up the 2016 election. In December, he was sentenced to three years in prison. Prosecutors directly implicated the President when they said in December that Cohen acted “in coordination and at the direction of” Trump.

    Since then, federal prosecutors in multiple offices have been looking into the record $107 million that Trump’s inauguration committee raised and asking questions about who the money came from, how it was spent and whether the committee gave donors favors or special access.


    Last September, Republican political consultant Sam Patten admitted steering $50,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch to Trump’s inauguration committee. FBI agents found more evidence about the inauguration when they were investigating Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer.

    Mueller’s office initially looked into potential foreign donations to the inauguration, and now the U.S. attorney’s offices in Manhattan and Brooklyn are both investigating the involvement of foreign money. In February, prosecutors for the Southern District of New York sent a subpoena to the Trump inaugural committee demanding documents about the committee’s spending and donors. Prosecutors in New Jersey and the District of Columbia also sent subpoenas to the committee in separate probes.


    When Cohen testified in front of Congress last month, he mentioned that the Trump Organization inflated its assets to insurance companies. Days later, the New York Department of Financial Services sent a subpoena to Aon, the Trump Organization’s longtime insurance broker, according to the New York Times. The Department of Financial Services is an agency that supervises the insurance industry, so it does not conduct criminal investigations. However, it it found wrongdoing, it could refer that information to prosecutors.

    In another inquiry prompted by Cohen’s testimony, the New York attorney general this month began looking into several Trump Organization projects, including a failed attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills football team. Investigators sent subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank about the projects in early March, according to the Times.

    Deutsche Bank has been under scrutiny as one of the few financial institutions willing to lend money to the Trump Organizations in recent years. The scope of this investigation is not clear, but the subpoenas requested information about loan applications, mortgages, credit and other financial interactions related to Trump properties in Washington, Florida, New York and Chicago, according to the Times.

    The New York attorney general’s office sued the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors last year, saying they engaged in a “shocking pattern of illegality.” The Trumps agreed to dissolve the foundation in December, but the suit is still going. The attorney general wants the Trumps to pay millions in penalties and bar him from serving on the board of any New York charity for a decade, while the Trumps are claiming that the suit was politically motivated.

    The Trump Foundation is also under investigation for potentially violating state tax laws. This case could lead to a criminal referral, unlike the civil case above.

    The New York state tax department said in October it was looking into allegations brought up in a New York Times investigation into decades of Trump’s “tax schemes.” New York City officials have also said they are examining Trump’s tax history.

    After two undocumented immigrants who worked at Trump’s golf club in New Jersey went public in interviews with the Times in December, federal and state investigators started looking into the situation. Lawyers for the two workers said in December that the FBI and the New Jersey attorney general’s office were examining allegations that the Trump golf club hired workers using fraudulent papers. Then in February, Democrats in Congress called for the FBI to fully investigate the situation.

    There were questions about whether Trump would personally profit from his position as President even before he entered the White House. In June 2017, the attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C. sued Trump, claiming that his D.C. hotel violated the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution, which says that no federal official can accept any gift or benefit “of any kind whatever” from any foreign government.

    Trump’s former personal lawyer filed a lawsuit in New York state court on March 7 claiming the Trump Organization breached a contract because it stopped paying his legal fees last year. The court filing alleges the organization stopped paying him after it became clear he would cooperate with investigators, and says Trump’s company owes him $1.9 million.

    Summer Zervos was a contestant on the Apprentice and said in 2016 that Trump had sexually assaulted her in 2007. After Trump called her a liar on the campaign trial, and Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit against him in 2017. Trump will likely keep fighting the suit, so his deposition is not certain, but it would be a field of landmines, as he would be under oath.

    Now that Democrats control the House, Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff is diving back into the Russia investigation. He has expanded the probe and plans to investigate not only Russian interference, but also Russian connections to Trump, whether Russians hold any leverage over Trump or members of his team and whether Trump has obstructed justice.

    In early March, the House Judiciary Committee launched a broad investigation into three main areas: whether Trump has obstructed justice; whether there has been corruption such as breaking campaign finance laws or misusing Trump’s office for personal gain; and whether Trump has abused his power through pardons or attacks on the press, judiciary or law enforcement agencies.

    The House Judiciary committee, led by Rep. Elijah Cummings, is also looking into a number of areas but the most prominent is its investigation into the Trump administration’s handling of security clearances. Concerns with the process increased in recent months after the New York Times reported that Trump intervened to overrule intelligence officials and obtain security clearance for his son-in-law Jared Kushner. A White House appointee also overruled intelligence officials on at least 30 staffers’ security clearances, according to NBC News. The House Oversight Committee has asked the White House for documents relating to the security clearances and aims to find out why concerns were being overruled.

    Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters chairs the House Financial Services Committee, and she is planning a joint investigation with the Intelligence Committee into why Deutsche Bank was willing to lend money to the Trump Organization when few other financial institutions would do so. The bank is already under scrutiny from New York prosecutors, and it was fined in the past over a Russian money laundering scheme

    The House Ways and Means chairman, Democrat Richard Neal, has said he wants to subpoena Trump’s tax returns. Unlike every president going back to Richard Nixon, Trump has refused to release his tax returns since he launched his presidential campaign, which has led many to speculate about their contents. This request will likely not move quickly, but it will be one of the most watched inquiries as things move forward.
     
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    Ah so you’re deflecting
     
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    Maybe he thought it was some 400lb guy lol
     
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    I didn’t mean for it to sound like trump knew before the hack. I don’t think he did.
     
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    Russians don't get that fat.
     
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    What does that have to do with the Russians meddling in the election on facebook?
     
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    Now let's get back to the real world. You have no concerns about Trump and his helpers using lies, cover ups, and deflection. You completely ignore the facts.

    "In an Oval Office meeting in February 2018, Trump told McGahn to "correct" a New York Times story that reported Trump had earlier instructed McGahn to fire Mueller. Trump also asked why McGahn had told Mueller's investigators about the directive to remove Mueller. McGahn told Trump he had to tell the investigators the truth" (By the way McGahn quit.) How many lives and careers has Trump disrupted ? Do you even care?

    "There are a number of ongoing cases that will fall to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. One of the most prominent is around longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone, who was arrested in January 2019 as part of the Mueller investigation. He was charged with witness tampering and lying to Congress about his communications with WikiLeaks.

    Cohen pleaded guilty in August of 2018 to campaign finance violations and other financial crimes, admitting he made payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels to keep them quiet in the run up the 2016 election. In December, he was sentenced to three years in prison. Prosecutors directly implicated the President when they said in December that Cohen acted “in coordination and at the direction of” Trump.

    Since then, federal prosecutors in multiple offices have been looking into the record $107 million that Trump’s inauguration committee raised and asking questions about who the money came from, how it was spent and whether the committee gave donors favors or special access.

    Last September, Republican political consultant Sam Patten admitted steering $50,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch to Trump’s inauguration committee. FBI agents found more evidence about the inauguration when they were investigating Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer.

    Mueller’s office initially looked into potential foreign donations to the inauguration, and now the U.S. attorney’s offices in Manhattan and Brooklyn are both investigating the involvement of foreign money. In February, prosecutors for the Southern District of New York sent a subpoena to the Trump inaugural committee demanding documents about the committee’s spending and donors. Prosecutors in New Jersey and the District of Columbia also sent subpoenas to the committee in separate probes.


    When Cohen testified in front of Congress last month, he mentioned that the Trump Organization inflated its assets to insurance companies. Days later, the New York Department of Financial Services sent a subpoena to Aon, the Trump Organization’s longtime insurance broker, according to the New York Times. The Department of Financial Services is an agency that supervises the insurance industry, so it does not conduct criminal investigations. However, it it found wrongdoing, it could refer that information to prosecutors.

    In another inquiry prompted by Cohen’s testimony, the New York attorney general this month began looking into several Trump Organization projects, including a failed attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills football team. Investigators sent subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank about the projects in early March, according to the Times.

    Deutsche Bank has been under scrutiny as one of the few financial institutions willing to lend money to the Trump Organizations in recent years. The scope of this investigation is not clear, but the subpoenas requested information about loan applications, mortgages, credit and other financial interactions related to Trump properties in Washington, Florida, New York and Chicago, according to the Times.

    The New York attorney general’s office sued the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors last year, saying they engaged in a “shocking pattern of illegality.” The Trumps agreed to dissolve the foundation in December, but the suit is still going. The attorney general wants the Trumps to pay millions in penalties and bar him from serving on the board of any New York charity for a decade, while the Trumps are claiming that the suit was politically motivated.

    The Trump Foundation is also under investigation for potentially violating state tax laws. This case could lead to a criminal referral, unlike the civil case above.

    The New York state tax department said in October it was looking into allegations brought up in a New York Times investigation into decades of Trump’s “tax schemes.” New York City officials have also said they are examining Trump’s tax history.

    After two undocumented immigrants who worked at Trump’s golf club in New Jersey went public in interviews with the Times in December, federal and state investigators started looking into the situation. Lawyers for the two workers said in December that the FBI and the New Jersey attorney general’s office were examining allegations that the Trump golf club hired workers using fraudulent papers. Then in February, Democrats in Congress called for the FBI to fully investigate the situation.

    There were questions about whether Trump would personally profit from his position as President even before he entered the White House. In June 2017, the attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C. sued Trump, claiming that his D.C. hotel violated the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution, which says that no federal official can accept any gift or benefit “of any kind whatever” from any foreign government.

    Trump’s former personal lawyer filed a lawsuit in New York state court on March 7 claiming the Trump Organization breached a contract because it stopped paying his legal fees last year. The court filing alleges the organization stopped paying him after it became clear he would cooperate with investigators, and says Trump’s company owes him $1.9 million.

    Summer Zervos was a contestant on the Apprentice and said in 2016 that Trump had sexually assaulted her in 2007. After Trump called her a liar on the campaign trial, and Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit against him in 2017. Trump will likely keep fighting the suit, so his deposition is not certain, but it would be a field of landmines, as he would be under oath.

    Now that Democrats control the House, Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff is diving back into the Russia investigation. He has expanded the probe and plans to investigate not only Russian interference, but also Russian connections to Trump, whether Russians hold any leverage over Trump or members of his team and whether Trump has obstructed justice.

    In early March, the House Judiciary Committee launched a broad investigation into three main areas: whether Trump has obstructed justice; whether there has been corruption such as breaking campaign finance laws or misusing Trump’s office for personal gain; and whether Trump has abused his power through pardons or attacks on the press, judiciary or law enforcement agencies.

    The House Judiciary committee, led by Rep. Elijah Cummings, is also looking into a number of areas but the most prominent is its investigation into the Trump administration’s handling of security clearances. Concerns with the process increased in recent months after the New York Times reported that Trump intervened to overrule intelligence officials and obtain security clearance for his son-in-law Jared Kushner. A White House appointee also overruled intelligence officials on at least 30 staffers’ security clearances, according to NBC News. The House Oversight Committee has asked the White House for documents relating to the security clearances and aims to find out why concerns were being overruled.

    Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters chairs the House Financial Services Committee, and she is planning a joint investigation with the Intelligence Committee into why Deutsche Bank was willing to lend money to the Trump Organization when few other financial institutions would do so. The bank is already under scrutiny from New York prosecutors, and it was fined in the past over a Russian money laundering scheme

    The House Ways and Means chairman, Democrat Richard Neal, has said he wants to subpoena Trump’s tax returns. Unlike every president going back to Richard Nixon, Trump has refused to release his tax returns since he launched his presidential campaign, which has led many to speculate about their contents. This request will likely not move quickly, but it will be one of the most watched inquiries as things move forward."
     
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    The worm spun on you Jake. And it makes you very angry.

    This nation is bewildered by the Democrats spin machine.
     
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    Advertisements do not amount to meddling.
     
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    You mad that Mueller's report found that Trump didn't commit any crimes????
     
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    Mr Obatards signature move was a deep bow and a crotch sniff! You know, like a submissive bitch dog!

     
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    Here's Trumpenstien betraying our country in full view.
     
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    wrong post
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    Wrong! Barr's hackjob summary of the report didn't find any crimes. The Mueller report says otherwise:

    "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment,”

    “Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”

    Ultimately, while we believed that we had the authority and legal justification to issue a grand jury subpoena to obtain the President’s testimony, we chose not to do so,” the report states. “We made that decision in light of the substantial delay that such an investigative step would likely produce at a late stage in our investigation.”

    With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” wrote Mueller in a section of his report entitled 'Constitutional defenses."
     
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    :roflol: The nation knows that Holder did nothing wrong and will never be prosecuted.

    Obama will never be investigated, as you well know.

    The Democrats secret weapon, as you well know, is to . . . . . accuse the GOP and Trump of getting in bed with Putin and the Russians.

    Why won't the President join the Senate on heavy sanctions against Putin and Russia.

    And you know the FBI and the Intel agencies are surveilling every Trumpie who has Russian and Ukrainian connections.
     
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    The damaging leaks that showed what the DNC was doing to sanders, published by wilkileaks took place in 2016. Something is not quite right if the hack took place in 2015, and the FBI knew about it. You sure it was 2015 and not 2016?

    Anyways, Craig Murray picked up a thumb drive or something similar in University park at night time and missed the dinner with the VIPS crew that night. You don't know about this because MSM conveniently black out Murray once he revealed it was not russia, in the UK. No one even questioned him about this. Looks like information control to me, at the behest of someone. And Murray does not have a record of making crap up, given he was an ambassador and busted out the US in Ubekistan, and what they were doing there with prisoners. And of course he lost his job. And was awarded an award by some group in the UK for integrity.

    VIPS, did an analysis of data they had, and evidenced the transfer of into was onto a storage device, in house, due to the speed at which it was downloaded, which was impossible at that time, online. To date, not one of their peers have contradicted that analysis.

    Assange said source was not russia. And he even at one point offered to prove that to congress if he would be given an assurance he could come and not be arrested. Immunity. He was of course not taken up on it, because, IMO, congress did not want to know the truth.

    I am not saying russia did not hack the DNC. Although someone did, using an out of date software program, and not something russia would rationally use. I am saying that I trust VIPS, a group of retired intel people, with years of experience, including Bill Binney, of the NSA who was the technical director at the NSA for years. I trust them more than I would or could ever trust the higher ups at the CIA, or those who worked under obama at the FBI, like Strok and McCabe. I sure as hell would never trust Brennan nor Clapper, both nefarious characters, and known liars.
     
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    I think Holder is dirty for the simple fact he suffers the Congress finding him in contempt.

    Obama won't get investigated at all. But we know his place in history is one of failure.

    Putin needs to tell America what Trump is doing to him. Trump has armor on the Russian Border. We don't even have armor on the Canadian nor Mexican border. Trump should be encouraged to pull out his armor. You call that being in bed with Putin. I call it yanking hard on Putin to engage in war.

    I suspect our intelligence is still hot on the case of Hillary and her use of the Russians intelligence to spread stories back to America.
     

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