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Russia's actions started in 2014, on Obama's watch and he didn't do **** about it.
In any case, what russia did is the same **** that the US and everybody else does. Everybody is meddling in each others elections, we all have preferences for a candidate over an other. No permissions are asked for and this is done most often without knowledge or participation from the desired candidate. A news article, a spicy scandal, a juicy picture, an assassination... Politics...

You have to be really naive or stupid to think that your electoral process is somehow immune to this.

 

I liked your post because I agree with everything save the sentiment in the first sentence and the last paragraph for lack of foundation.

Mueller proved that there is no evidence of collusion, obstruction or that Russia effected the election. We learned about Macedonian meme farms too. So cool.

As for not defending "America", I'm not seeing it. I'll need specific examples and they must be substantive enough to out weigh our diplomatic gains vis-a-vis Russian interests globally.

To the rest, nation states all have friction where they jostle for advantage. No different than all living things. Hell Will I bet your wife interferes with your daily life in greater scale and proportion than Russia or the US meddles with other nations or each other.

Cheers, nice reply by the way, few moderate tone and substance in discussion here as the conversation progresses. That's cooler than Macedonian troll farms!

 

Obama didn't have the clear evidence that became more available as the election neared, and he DID take action. This has been addressed.

Besides that, it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. If you want to prosecute Obama, go for it.

At the time of Trump's nomination, Russia became far more overt. Trump took action on his desire for personal political gain instead of in defending foreign attack on our democracy.

And, he has continued to do nothing - even when the extent of Russia's actions is known and their intent to continue is crystal clear.

 

It's your post that is irrelevant.

It wasn't the job of the candidates to protect your democracy but Obama's. He was the one responsible for it and he failed. He was the president after all.

 

The Mueller report lays out the basis for prosecuting Trump for collusion. Mueller states that he would say if Trump was clear of these charges - and, that he could not say that.

The reason he didn't is stated to be that it is against Justice Dept policy. The theory is that there couldn't be a court case, and thus there would be no way for the sitting president to clear himself of an indictment.

This was presented in an extensive paper by Barr before he became AG, and it appears to be standing Justice Dept policy.

We need to see the rest of the Mueller report.

And, there are more than a dozen continuing legal actions against individuals in this case.

We are NOT done with this.

 

Obama wasn't in a position to investigate the Trump campaign.

Doing so would have been seen as partisan political tampering with an election.

How many indictments would Obama have been able to level against the two Trump campaign chairman and others associated with the campaign before it would look like a partisan assault? And, let's remember that Trump has continued to refuse to defend America against Russian attacks on our democracy.

We expect our candidates to steer clear of the 50 or so crimes by those leading or merely part of the Trump campaign.

When we see that sort of thing happening, we're supposed to not vote for them!

 

Then why did Obama sign off on Loretta Lynch's DOJ to spy on Trump and to not prosecute crooked Hillary ?

 

What was the date of the first Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant?

What was the date of the "by the book" meeting memorialized by Susan Rice in her memo to self?

Obama was all over this.

 

We've had years of Trump with no pursuit of Clinton.

When are you going to figure out that Trump's howling about Clinton was totally for show?

And, there was NO SPYING. PERIOD.

 

There were multiple warrants and each was reviewed by a different judge.

They ALL came to the same conclusion.

And, those applications ALL indicated that the "Steele Dossier" included content that was not independently verified. That dossier had value merely by its existence - not because of the truth value of its content.

Look, this is all that Nunez garbage.

The Republican Senate could have pursued.

Any of the various arms of the Trump administration could have pursued.

They knew better. The Nunez lies were saved as propaganda for a political party and a president who have NO INTEREST in the truth.

 

I'll wait for June when the DOJ IG is expected to release its findings on spying on the Trump campaign.

 

Is that man actually reading less? He seems out of date with the findings by Mueller.

 

We're speaking about the genesis of the counterintelligence investigation. Obama authorized it.

 

Not surprising that Susan Rice's name always seems to pop up a lot.

Be it Benghazi or spying on Trump or going back to Osama bin Laden back in 1996.

 

Sorry but that sales pitch is not being bought by us.

Obama alleges he was investigating as early as early in 2016. His report was finally released in January 2017. Surely you don't think that report was based on a week long study?

 

Susan Rice is all over this scandal by the Obama administration.

 

What Russia did is the highest scandal by the Obama administration. Why should Obama get away not investigated?

 

I forget who the Democratic Congressman was back in February of 2017 but he warned his fellow donks to drop it, Trump is the President and if they take the resistance any further it could backfire on them bigley.

 

Susan Rice name has come up during ever scandal since 1996.

 

No. I'm saying that an investigation starting in early 2016 could not have resulted in indictments or other actions before a few short months before the election - too soon for a court to determine guilt.

And, if Obama's executive branch had started issuing indictments at that time, it would have appeared as a partisan assault by the president.

And, the reasoning would be that it WOULD be an executive branch assault - indistinguishable from having partisan motivations.

There is NO POSSIBILITY of blaming Trump's corruption on Obama.

Trump knew American democracy was under attack. And, he decided it would be to his personal political advantage to ENCOURAGE that attack by feeding information and then by using work product.

Why is that not treason?

 

That is your defense of Obama yet you do not prove Trump is corrupt. Even Mueller could not make that case.

How could Trump believe it was under attack when Obama was flaying him alive saying no meddling could happen?

Don't believe me. Believe Obama.

 

You need to read the Mueller report.

He spells out the obstruction case against Trump to a level that prosecutors say they could win in a cake walk - a step by step prescription, based on evidence developed by the investigation.

We all know by now why Mueller didn't charge him.

 

Obama's comments here had to do with "voter fraud".

And, his comments were exactly on point.

I don't know why you would dredge up one more of the totally unsubstantiated whinings of Trump and some other Republicans - one totally unrelated to this thread.

 

Russian meddling was to create voter fraud. But given it was Obama talking, you for a rather odd reason reject his claims.

 

I have read every word that Democrats believe damages Trump. They baffle me with their loony claims.

First know this. This was never about obstruction. Obstruction is not an underlying crime, it is a claim one kept the crime hidden. Trump cooperated so much with Mueller he put Obama to shame when he would conceal during investigations.

The so called crime would be Russia worked very hard with Trump to screw up the election.

But that was denied by Mueller.

Don't fret so much. Nadler will take time to make himself the fool. Republicans on his committee will point out to the public how nuts Nadler actually is. He is furious with Mueller. But for that, he would never want to call in Mueller. He wants to roast Mueller. He blames Mueller for this clearing of Trump.