I've Now Read 100% of the Redacted Report | My Final Word

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  1. Primus Epic

    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    You have "J"esus hanging form a "cross" as your Avatar. Yet, you emoticon beating a "dead horse."

    LOL! You just can't make this stuff up. ;) I bet you never say that one coming. ;)
     
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    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    I will now end my participation in this thread exactly the way I started it - with the facts taken straight from Mueller's mouth:

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    "It does not exonerate him." This clearly leaves Congress in a position to do its job.
     
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    Your fiction is horrible.
     
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    An exposed Trump, deranged over the Mueller revelations, and hysterical over multiple ongoing investigations, with relentlessly dismal poll numbers, is an invaluable asset for the Democratic Party. If they can keep him in office, he'll be an even greater gift in 2020 than he was in 2018. He'll be a hefty pantload for every Republican candidate.

    Republicans McGahn's and Mueller's testimonies before Congress will send the cry baby into a pissytweet frenzy!
     
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    According to Real Clear Politics polling, Trump's current approval rating is 43%.

    Obama's Real Clear Politics polling at this same time in his Presidency was only about 45%.

    Not much difference and Trump has been constantly attacked 24/7 from all the media outlets and hollywood.

    So, I figure Trump will when re-election easily.
     
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    I have read the report and you are wrong. You simply are seeing what you want to see and not what is actually there.

    And yes, it does square. The camlaign thought it would benefit at the time when everyone knew about the Russian interference, especially the obama administration.

    Ask yourself why obama did nothing to stop it.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Less then half of the american people give him a positive approval rating, so how can you say he'll be reelected easily??? If 51% or higher gave him a favorable rating I could see the merit to your assumption.
     
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    Except, I post excerpts directly from Mueller's Report that show what I'm standing on. You post personal opinion of what Mueller actually reports. You were just given Mueller's actual conclusion. Not the one Barr, shoved down your throat and not the one Trump, wanted you to hear. That is why Barr, flew cover for Trump, before the report was released with his own press conference. He knew what Mueller's conclusions were, because he actually read them where you clearly have not.

    Now, go show me where Mueller, says that Trump is "fully exonerated" or "partially exonerated" in the summary conclusion I just showed you. Go show me where Mueller, says that came to the conclusion that Trump, was absolutely clear of obstruction in the summary conclusion I just showed you. Mueller, told you that he could not come to that conclusion. Yet, you still sit here "beating a dead horse" that somehow Trump, is exonerated and fully cleared of obstruction. You do this because you have not read the Report in full, or because you have a problem understanding plain English.

    The summary conclusion is directly above. Read it aloud until it finally sinks into your head. Muller, does not exonerate Trump, in any way shape or form.
     
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    Ironic PROJECTION duly noted!
     
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    So he essentially found that there was no evidence evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was any direct conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign. He did not however say that it didn't happen. However, I have said from the start that I doubt there was any type of direct collusion.

    However, this doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. There is plenty of evidence that shows that members of the Trump campaign knew Russia was interfering in the election, even if they didn't know the specifics of the interference,such as the cyber-attacks on Clinton and the DNC. Since it's illegal for a foreign entity to spend money to influence the election, if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was doing so, and failed to report it, then they could be considered to be accomplices even if they didn't take a direct role in what Russia was doing.
     
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    So no one can ever be found guilty of attempted murder because they only talked about doing it and never took any action? :eek:

    The DISCONNECT from REALITY by BLOTUS supporters is unbelievable.
     
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    Astounding PROJECTION duly noted!
     
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    In summation the BLOTUS would be facing CRIMINAL CHARGES but isn't because of three things;

    1. The DOJ has an asinine policy not to indict a sitting president.

    2. The GOP is turning a blind eye to the HIGH CRIMES of the BLOTUS for partisan political reasons.

    3. The Dems consider it in their own partisan political interests to treat the BLOTUS as a lame duck punching bag that they can exploit for 2020.

    Sad!
     
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    As an outsider looking in, and focusing on the supposed Russian hacking ( :rolleyes: :yawn: ), may I just point out that if America didn't interfere in the political affairs of other countries, maybe they wouldn't interfere in yours?
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    I am particularly struck by your observations regarding the total failure of the media to place this crisis in its proper light, to illustrate how these events and actions are setting presidents that will eventually enable a strong man to destroy American democracy.

    Because that’s what we’re really talking about here.

    Trump is no danger, other than the possibility that he might provoke an internationals crisis before (or if) Congress can sum up the courage and sense of duty to stop him.

    But the series of presidents, and things that have been excused in Trump’s behavior provide a roadmap for a future demagogue.

    Trump is not that man. He is a weak little punk who inherited and largely pissed away his father’s money and who had managed to skate by by being the front man for a particularly banal reality TV show, and as a front man for Russian money launderers.

    He had no plan beyond running for President.

    The next guy will have one, and he will be smarter than Trump.
     
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    Relax!

    Nancy Pelosi has corralled the troops.

    I’m pretty sure that they’re going to follow the Watergate model.

    Remember that the public exposure to Watergate actually began when Congress appointed the Select Committee (Sam Irvin). As an institution, the Select Committee was the means by which the public was actually introduced to the Watergate scandal (yes, it had been in the press, but it had not attracted the national focus it would get). He basically prepped the American people for the revelations that the Judiciary Commitee would expose, including the testimony of John Dean.

    I believe that this is what will happen here.

    They’ll start with the small fried, and the wannabes. You’ll see Papadopolous, Page, Flynn, the promoter who set up the Trump Tower meeting, and they’ll gradually work their way up. They will bury the White House in subpoenas, and force him to spend money on legal maneuvering.

    And they’ve already put the Trump team in a position where they have to engage in more and more disingenuous (and in some cases, astonishingly Un American ) spin to try and hold the base.

    Preliminary evidence shows that is not working.

    Impeachment is always going to be the card up Pelosi’s sleeve.

    And if it does come to that, I doubt that Articles will be voted out before the early Fall of 2020. That would put Trump under a real impeachment threat on Election Day, and force the Senate to vote on the matter before the inauguration (unless they decide to let the clocks run out). The polls will answer that question.

    There is little doubt that something must be done. These crimes are a threat to American democracy in the future, and they must not be allowed to pass unaddressed.
     
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    I’m sure Jim Jordan or Meadows will get the chance to ask that question.

    Since the “dossier” was never the origin of the investigation, it’s unlikely that he’s going to tell you what Limpballs, Levin and Fox have been ginning up.
     
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    There is a 400 page report on that topic that can be readily downloaded.

    Trump supporters are adamant in their intention to avoid exposing themselves to these facts.

    And Barr and Trump tried to suck all the air out of the political room by shouting a claim the report does not support.

    But it isn’t working.

    So shut your eyes, cover your ears, and shout “no collusion”, That’s all you’ve got.
     
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    :applause:

    That makes a whole lot of sense!

    I will personally vote to impeach the BLOTUS in 2020. ;)
     
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    You don't get to vote on it.

    Looking forward to Pence as president.
     
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    I don’t know what that last bit was about.

    But every word in your first paragraph was false.

    Of course, we’re getting a lot of this from Trumpsters now.

    They have to dismiss the facts and the evidence. And post this kind of drivel, as if it had some substance.
     
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    I think that's where this is going. Pelosi knows exactly what she's doing. Something she really demonstrated last Dec 11th, when she walked Trump right into a government shutdown trap of his own making.

    Right wing media is making a big deal of the fact that the public did not warm to the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Much hand wringing in the rest of the world rests on the same concern.

    Impeaching Clinton never polled well. And the voters punished the GOP before the process was even completed.

    The reality is that although the public was not comfortable with Clinton's evasions and his attempts to block the process, they did not ultimately believe that he should be removed from office for lying about a blowjob.

    The Trump case is very different. WE have real crimes and misdemeanors, and a widespread effort to obstruct justice on many fronts (an effort which is ongoing.

    I doubt that this time the public will punish the party that holds this President accountable.
     
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    Holding the BLOTUS accountable is also happening behind the scenes. There are those other 12 investigations which I suspect will begin to start "leaking" right after the GOP Convention in 2020.
     
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    Trump's consistently dismal numbers have been exhibiting a downturn since the release of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel's report and the exposure of his indecorous conduct, and his erratic, unstable mood swings in reactions to it ("I'm f*cked!" - "Total exoneration!" - "It's bullsh*t!")



    Is it possible that he will suddenly metamorphose into an Obama and complete a popularly-elected second term with 60% approval?

    Maybe if you close you eyes and tap your heels together three times ...
     
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    There is nothing in the report that even remotely rises to an impeachable offense. All there is are little Easter eggs and breadcrumbs to whet the appetite of raving mad Democrats in congress and show that Mueller did his best to unseat a president. You take large stock in the fact that the campaign did not report Russian contacts yet ignore the obligation of the FBI and others to warn the campaign of potential interference as they did with the DNC and the RNC.

    When the greatest abuse of federal power ever and the most significant attack on our constitutional republic since the civil war starts to unravel, concerned citizens do not simply Move On.
     
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