Oh boy.... back to the Deconstruction tactics eh? China gets slave labor business because they don't follow free trade rules, free trade rules which countries like India do follow. You are trying to obfuscate the argument by claiming "But I thought you didn't like Capitalism and I thought you didn't want to bring jobs back" Acting like those things are mutually exclusive. Your arguments are tired, and this philosophy of "deconstruction" your way out of actual conversations is seen by more and more people as literally laughable. Again, I don't really care about you, I care about calling out your tactics so people can see how ridiculous you guys are, when you try to debate policy using Neo-Marxist tactics. NEXT QUESTION
You are missing the point. We are not against the American people, we are against stupid, poorly planned trade policies.
You didn't address the issue. You just spun around it. Is the objective to bring the jobs back? A simple yes or no will do.
Contrary to what you think, the Ponzi scheme which is the international economic system is headed for collapse, in part because Trump has pushed things to the point that even the beneficiaries of this Ponzi scheme are beginning to question if their interests are served propping it up. While that may not be immediately visible to you, that is the direction the neocons are pushing things towards. Because two things will actually bring about the demise of this Ponzi scheme quicker than anything else. One of them is war with Iran, which Trump has avoided so far but which he cannot avoid forever based on the trajectory of events which will ensue based on the neocon policies he has adopted. The other is if the trade war with China gets out of hand and the Chinese decide they don't want to play in this game anymore.
I hate to interrupt your cheap insult, but cheap labor is easier to replace than a paying customer. We don't need China.
Here comes some more of that short term pain. Dow sheds 300 points after data underlines deepening U.S. manufacturing woes The data showed that new orders for manufactured goods fell for the second month in a row, though at a slightly slower pace, while the export orders subcomponent of the survey came in at 41%, the lowest level since March 2009. Some survey respondents blamed higher U.S. and Chinese tariffs for weakness in their businesses. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...r-china-kicks-off-70th-anniversary-2019-10-01
So you want to replace one cheap labor source with another cheap labor source all while making the average Joe pay more for "stuff." Sounds like a Trumper plan alright.
I am not a Trumper. Buying crap that will end up in a landfill in a few years while they are buying our real estate and stealing our intellectual property is a good plan?
most store house brands are china, TCL, Hisense, Insignia etc. Why even bring up a global sourced item such I phone. here is the supplier list why do you get 3% out of it is beyond me where at least 1/3rd of th suplliers are Chinese. https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple-Supplier-List.pdf
The conversation started with looking at the trade numbers... I stated it depends .... If you look at things like Iphones - the value add to China is very little .. 3% . If you want to look at other items individually and calculate what the total is .. great - have at it. Let me know what you come up with. The fact of the matter that pretending it is an apples to apples comparison - as Trump has done - is mindless nonsense.
And if they have a sales office, it is a profit center. When you do business with Foxcomm and the like ( I had for 10 years as we had facilities in china) they want local sourcing not only for price but for JIT
But not for China. I did business with them as well. Just look at your list. None of the IC's are made in China. The glass or display is not made in China. I don't know about the PCBA, but I doubt it. So what's left. Maybe an LED and a power cord. Edit: Forgot the battery that they get from Samsung. In a twist of fate Apple is stealing Samsung's intellectual property buy hiring Soonho Ahn from battery maker Samsung SDI Co. as “global head of battery developments.” According to his profile, Ahn worked on “next generation” battery technology as senior VP of Samsung SDI. In the past, Apple has used batteries from the Korean manufacturer.
Why are we just talking about an Iphone? Do you think the Iphone is representative of what they export? The only number that counts is 550 bill vs 150 bill. Thier exports to us is 6% of thier GDP, our exports to them is 1% of our gdp. Who loses?
I use the iPhone because it was first used in the example. But it's a good one because there is a lot of data about it and it is a YUGE part of the deficit. Everyone loses. Don't just count the effect on GDP. The ripples are much larger. Just look at what has happened to the stock market and the world trade numbers.
You are entitled to your opinion Instead of democrsts dedicating all their waking hours to removing trump why not join in the fight against china?
sound like trump desperate need a deal with impeachment going on https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/perspectives/china-tariffs-trade-war-trump/index.html
This and immigration are two examples of the dems abandoning thier traditional positions. All my life dems wanted to protect union and non union jobs from cheap foreign imports and fought Nixon/Ford/Reagan sold our electronic and Car industry down the drain to keep Japan as a bulkwark against Commuinsm in asia. Starting with Clinton selling out to corporatism it has been a rapid downhill for manufacturing in the last 30 years. Dems have always wanted limited immigration as a means to reduce the labor pool and raise wages now they have kissed that off also. All this becasue orange man bad. (which he is but that is besides the point on these two issues)
Instead of spending all your waking hours worrying about the Democrats - who currently do not hold the white house - why don't you focus your attention on making the economic and geopolitical future for the US better - instead of blindly supporting geopolitical blunders which are hurting us. U.S. manufacturers experience worst month since 2007-2009 Great Recession, ISM finds https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...e-end-of-great-recession-ism-finds-2019-10-01 ISM Manufacturing Index Slumps to Decade Low as Trade War Hits US Factories https://www.thestreet.com/investing...e-low-as-trade-war-hits-us-factories-15110871 This is not what "winning" looks like. At the same time that this is going on - Trump has been messing with the sovereignty of our allies in Europe and most every other nation that matters. These nations are suffering similar contractions. Who do you think these nations are blaming ? Obviously the Trump is to blame for messing with the sovereignty of these nations - they are also going to blame him for the global contraction - and this blame is at least in some part justified. While we are being looked at as being global pariah's .. China and Russia are going around doing deals and US companies are being left out of the loop. It is one thing to engage in Trade negotiations with China. It completely another thing to start an economic war with near the entire world.
The only winners at this point arethe leftwing anarchists trying to bring down trump and our tradational elected representative form of government I dont know where you people think you are going with all of this But it wont be a good place
You understand that it is called a trade war for a reason, they are "casualties" on the way to a better system. Trump is so wrong in the way he is going about this it is almost beyond comprehesion, but the goal is at the end is something that will leave us better than we are now. We should have formed a partnership with the EU and Canada and Mexico and then confronted China as a group. Once we struck a dea with China, then Nafta, then the eu trade agreements. We know have spent political capital that we had with our allies fighting them and now we are forced to take China on almost singlehandily.
Do you always completely change the subject in the middle of a single post? I think you just forgot what you said, because your coverup is also wrong.
Trumps blunders on the geopolitical chessboard have nothing to do with the Dems. You are so caught up in mindless partisan blindness that Donald could take dump on the windshield of your car and you would claim it smelled like fresh flowers. You can't manage a response to issues related to Trumps mistakes so you have nothing to do but default to demonizing the Dems - in a conversation that has nothing to do with Blue. These major blunders are on Trump - and no amount of whining about the Dems by those inflicted with partisan blindness is going to change the fact that your hero is a zero.
