Trumpers getting slapped upside the head by reality

The cracks are starting and it is one of the reasons you are seeing almost frantic posts and pictures of the rally’s

 

Certainly, many Democrats are under the impression that a Senate Trial that does not result in conviction could backfire in a major way.

 

Not really. The whole election balances on that 10% of Independent voters who are undecided. They tend to be middle-of-the-road types who don't like controversy and division. They were the anti-Hillary vote, not the pro-Trump vote. Trump just doesn't inspire those type people to the voting booth so impeachment or not isn't going to be a deciding factor. It's what happens with the economy in the last month before the election that matters.

 

ive probably argued with you on here multiple times so you can guess that i lean conservative but ya the Doral thing is bizzare given the timing. To me a good analogy would be your boat had a hole and as your buddy bailed it out you picked up a fishing pole and started fishing.

 

And now the g7 at dorsal
It is pretty hard to portray that as ok under the emoluments clause of the constitution

Trump seems to think his supporters will (should) support him no matter what.
And so he sees no impediment for his penchant for self dealing

 

Amazing thin is that 30% of voters who will support him no matter what. They seem to be a group who are OK with an Executive Branch with unlimited power and no Congressional over-sight ... or course that changes as soon as their "guy" leaves office. They seem to forget that the powers handed to the President stay with the office.

 

In your opinion what is the specific concern?

 

lets say he does the doral thing for free, i still think politically its not worth all the fire thatll be sent Republican Senators way. Seems like he best course of action was to lay relatively low and let the Republican Senators work on his behalf.

 

Pelosi is well aware of the political implications and, given that most Americans, consistently and relentlessly, disapprove of Trump, she must have been well aware that the unknown impact of impeachment could benefit Trump, but his perfidy became far too brazen, and congressional responsibility demanded it.

So many are sick and tired of the Cry Baby, it may not matter, but exposing the truth is an admirable goal, regardless of the political calculus.

 

I agree on the economy. But I think the independent vote depends more on who the dem nominee is. It’s very likely Trump will end up with a lot of votes against the dem.

My thought on impeachment trial is Trump may be setting it up as a platform to get his message out before the election. I think a lot of skeletons could be exposed in a trial that would be to Trump’s advantage.

 

The longer she waits the more the American public think it's just another moronic nothing burger like all the others since 1016

 

Why should he? You and I enjoy have no filter and to be honest you don't even have the right to vote in this country and we still allow you to participate in condemning him UNFILTER..

So, your welcome to free speech

 

Sure Trump will be impeached along party lines, Stupid libs in Congress have dug themselves into such a huge hole that they can't back out now, regardless of how terrified of the repercussions they are.

And the impeachment will be laughed out of the Senate along party lines too. But not before it will be exposed as a disgusting deep state partisan political sham that it is, not before Biden daddy and Biden baby are dragged onto the witness stand and are forced to testify, not before Mueller's ass is dragged into the witness stand and this time he won't be able to hide behind "I will only testify on what's in the report", he'll have countless very uncomfortable questions to answer. The hoaxblower will be forced to testify and explain countless lies in his complaint, and provide names of who gave him the information or be charged with crimes, so will Schitt and his aides who [illegally] met with the hoaxblower, they'll have to account for their discussions....

It will be fun to watch, I personally can't wait. Lest we forget that the ammo for Trump's 2020 campaign the impeachment will provide will be priceless.

 

Logic tells me that the Dems would like to drag it out till the election.(Did I hear a call for a Special Prosecutor?)

On the other hand, the Republicans should want a speedy process, either to dump Trump and give Pence time in the saddle … or to give a not guilty verdict. Also, the quicker the better for them, before the Mouth give them more goodies. (Mitch should break Trump's Twitter finger!)

 

Agree. I’m pretty sure the house won’t impeach.

I’m not sure here. I think a trial closer to the election would benefit Trump.

 

Then Nancy Pelosi should hold a vote in the house.

 

yes, that is the sensible thing
But, Imo, it is time to acknowledge that trump is psychotically self serving

Looking back, we can see a common thread of disparate behaviors. Behaviors that have each had their excuse.

Lying about Obama’s place of birth... self serving
Lying about Mexico paying for the wall ... self serving
Lying about. that he would balance the budget ... self serving
Lying about. The inauguration crowd size ... self serving
Lying about.paying off his bimbos ... self serving
scheming a qpq with Ukraine ... self serving
Sending Air Force crews to his Scotland golf course
Making his property at Mara lago a regular retreat
Having pence stay at his Scotland property
Having his Washington DC hotel rake in bookings from all sorts of government related bookings
Saying Obama played too much golf, and he would not
The g7 at doral
Saying interest rates should be higher with Obama, but lower for him
claiming to be a Devote Christian, when there is no previous indication that he ever cared


the list goes on and on
I suppose that each individual event can find an excuse
But at some point, if you are honest with yourself,
It is difficult to ignore the pattern
Frankly, I am pretty sure trump sees all this as normal
Which is why he is so tone deaf on how it looks

 

Why? The longer she waits, the more crazy stuff piles up against Trump's mental state. The longer she waits, more is being dug up on illegal campaign money coming from Rudy's friends. The longer she waits, the more Republicans start to question their backing of Trump. The whole Turkey fiasco. How long will it be before we find out Turkey ordered the US out of the way and Trump complied so he could save his Trump Towers in Istanbul? Too much crap being piled up - maybe not one thing worthy of impeachment, but taken as whole, there might be enough Republican support that they step back out of the way.

 

And the longer she DELAYS the less time Republican candidates have to Campaign.

Which is the whole point...

 

Pretty much why the Benghazi investigations disappeared the day after Hillary lost - they served a purpose.

But I would say that this impeachment is also about limiting the power of the Executive Branch. Way too much authority was granted to the Executive after 9/11. I wouldn't want a President Warren to be able to disregard the over-sight authority of Congress as Trump has done.

 

"The investigative walls are closing in on Trump." Bob Woodward 12/14/2018

 

I will agree that the executive branch it too powerful, but then i think the whole federal government is vastly too powerful.

The investigations into the crap Clinton pulled are still ongoing. And ascwe now know. The FBI essentially didn't investigate her at all.

 

And since that time, impeachment has become a more certain outcome. Woodward was right.

 

I have no problem with Clinton and Trump sharing a cell.

 

I don't either.. but if we are going that route and they already have what they need to go get Trump then go and get him so we can all move on... they can continue the investigation after that if they want to round up the small fish..