What do you expect from immigrants?

How about we try to get some of the ones from the good countries instead of all the bad ones people are running away from?

 

That isn't true. Many many people born in the West, but with origins outside the West, retain considerably more loyalty to 'culture' than is suggested. Many Indians, for example, are still expected to enter arranged marriages. Honour killings are still perpetrated by male relatives. Genital mutilations are still carried out. Overt sexism is still central to domestic life. Younger generations are still taught to exploit Westerners, etc etc etc.

Having an American accent does not mean you are assimilated. A newly arrived migrant can be more assimilated than someone born in America .. because it's a function of WILL, not duration.

 

Be fair - they can only think in terms of hugs and puppies and immediate gratification. Longer term thinking and planning is icky and boring.

 

i'd like them to respect our culture and not try to impose their culture on us.

I'd like them assimilate and not seek/create little Muslim or Arab enclaves that last for generations.

 

Will you compensate criminals for any injury sustained when breaking into your home while you and your children are sleeping? Or do they forfeit their right to your 'compassion' in knowingly choosing a course of action that provides no protections? Will your children be benefited by your compensation of that criminal, either materially or via the inevitable result of the enabling of further criminal activity?

Let's see how 'good' you really are.

 

I don't disagree with your points. They are valid. But they speak for a minority. The vast majority of immigrants--especially young ones--do assimilate into American culture quite readily.

 

It depends on the situation. But of course there are "limits" to kindness. But finding those limits doesn't negate my point of view that humane policies are better for all than cruel ones.

 

Many turn into gangbangers.

Probably because their parents were gone all day working and they grew up in a toxic environment, with absent parental oversight and being raised in overcrowded conditions. But what else would we expect when those parents are doing those low wage jobs Americans don't believe they can afford to survive on?

 

I can't make a Native American theme restaurant with comedic gags like over-the-top Dixie flags 100s waving all around short/tall man/woman entrances for obfuscating abstractness. That's all I'm aware of.

branching off of that, so, you guys know every place besides here has language Churches with free exercise to worship? They're ancient ethnic groups crossing into the neighboring countries all over the place. Ancient habitation land in the other place?

All we got on TV is succeed immigrant, get an amazing job, kiss ass, nothing happens for you, literally.

So confront the other question, where's immigrant's laws/culture meet yours, who in Your Own Culture has no idea what they're doing.

 

Jewish people still have their neighborhoods where everyone walks to schul

 

I'm forced to agree that Ronstar is a cultural imperialist of some sort. Cosmopolitanism and awareness of many cultures has been strained out of our society. For the Singular exception of non-integrating Black , you could say, aw man, least your daddy loves You.

 

It really isn't a minority. Also, those migrating for the 'wrong' reasons are far less likely to assimilate.

 

There's your problem.

HUMANE often looks (to the cursory glance) like 'cruelty', but is just the opposite. Conversely, it's rarely a kindness to indiscriminately and profligately make life easy. That is in fact, one of the cruellest things you can ever do.

 

Good for Ronstar. Wish there were more of it.

Meantime, 'strained out'? When was 'awareness of many cultures' a thing, historically? And when were the vast majority - who are necessarily priced out of travel .. cosmopolitan?

 

There are Many things I think about immigration, as if to even begin posting about it. All the world is interested in the Americana of Birth Citizenship. You are born in America, you are legally granted, developed from the Civil War, nobody else has that and is amazed. It doesn't go easily with Mexican immigration today and so called "anchoring" babies.

Most of the World actually, sees immigration in such a casual light. It isn't the PRIDE of the entire Nation, the Statue of Liberty, and we have Welcomed these Exiles to New York without any of the Pomp of the Old World it says, and they are going to Become welcomed here , "The New Colossus".

Most of the World as well as being casual on immigration, understands Cosmopolitan, like Woodrow Wilson, Woodrow Wilson was Cosmopolitan, he traveled all Europe, was interested in Europe, wrote papers on Parliamentarian linkage of the congressional and executive. After all "Bonnie" being a scotch word, he's Scotch-Irish, to tak about the BOnnie Blue Flag after all. Woodrow Wilson referred to a Cosmopolitan America, and the ongoing Loyalty of the German American during the war away from their birthcountry, when his Direct Vehement Opposition candidate, Teddy Roosevelt, went on to attach "Hyphen Americans", according to Wikipedia. So I have a very keen understanding of the winner and also straining out awareness of cultures. Paris was the crossroads of Europe. It was known as a Cosmopolitan city. It still is. One must imagine less so after the Nationalists defeated the pan-European forces, Napoleon truly conquered old Europe from Paris out into the whole world.

 

Sorry, you've lost me. I'm not American, and further .. I don't recall any time in which the masses (the working classes, IOW) were travelling regularly to Paris and Vienna for a little culture.

 

The Swiss guards were working class? The King had a swiss guard. Mary Antoinette is an Austrian and insulted for it. Her Austrian allies arrived quickly. The court is insulted for its British manners of the Gentleman. The Catholic Church was seen as backwards and corrupt and its association with the monarchs. SO I already know thousands of foreigners in official employ in Paris at this time, of 1790 for God's sake. Nationalist movement is probably defined from the French. I have no idea.

 

Oh you demand more than I do. I prefer that they come in legally and stay legally, and insist that they obey the laws while here. I want the adults to produce more than they consume as employees or caretakers and pay taxes and fees according to income and applicable statutes/ ordinances. Its their own business and their own problem if they don't learn English. I don't care if they 'assimilate' either If they are law abiding I could care less. Not my issue if the prefer their own company or their own customs. These things normally take care of themselves in a generation or maybe two and I don't see why we should worry much either way.

 

Thanks btthegreat I was about to break into song. , French horderves, why we only live to Serve, tie your napkin round your neck Cherie and we provide the rest, we can sing we can dance, after all miss c'est la France!

Not while Lance Ito thinks he can get away with murdering my people, and calling it the law. I never bow to the Emperor or his people. Some Japanese judge can come along and say what place is where and whose.

 

Well, yes it is. Those who wilfully refuse your company - and even your language - clearly don't feel any affection for your country. That is never going to end well.

 

I don't feel any affection for my country anymore and I choose to refuse most company that is not my family. But I obey the law and I pay taxes that benefit it, and I produce value consistently through my work history, and that has been the way's it been for over a decade. We don't get to measure who feels affection or how strongly before we decide who should is a citizen.

Its none of your friggin business what I do, crank or who I do it with or what sounds come out of my mouth to communicate with those around me.

 

If the immigrant's sole purpose for migrating is exploitation, then your nation (and her people) will be exploited. I have no clue why you're okay with that. You shouldn't be.

 

Some democrats have clearly and directly advocated for literal open borders.

 

Who is doing that?

 

By the 3rd generation almost all immigrant families are speaking English primarily or exclusively in the home. It's been that way for many, many generations of immigrants.