"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Ha ha
    I have no party.
    But we do know, theb Gop has gone from conservative to apartheid.
    A party that doesn’t believe in science, education or knowledge.
     
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    A healthy society does not let its people suffer when it could easily alleviate it.
     
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    The proportion of treasure spent on arms by the U.S. is an indictment of any argument against a decent health care policy.
     
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    Exactly. Universal healthcare frees up billions over time to be spent elsewhere. It’s difficult to understand why opponents don’t look at the numbers. We already pay more per capita for private insurance then ANY nation with universal not for profit healthcare.
     
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    It increases quality of life. It builds wealth. It is money spent into the economy and benefits all.
    Arms are the proverbial rat hole.
     
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    We are 22 trillion in debt now. How we gonna pay for anything.
     
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    Ha ha. How are we going to pay for the system we have now ? You have it backwards. It’s our present system that adds to the debt.....along with the huge corporate tax cuts where 22 huge corporations PAY NOTHING.
     
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    How is it so hard to understand ? Medicare overhead is 1/6 that if private insurance...
     
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    it will be a lot cheaper in the future with robotics and computer home checkup
     
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    Not really. We’ve used robotics to assemble cars, build computers and electronics and other merchandise. None have gotten any cheaper. Robotic surgery for prostate cancer for example is not cheaper then open surgery. Computers can only monitor vital signs, they aren’t going to do much more. Is it going to draw your blood ?
     
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    Actually the big part of the debt is government donation to medical cartel and health insurance companies.
     
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    It is only in theory, in reality government will reduce a number of medical providers so the cost will stay the same. No one is interested in cost reduction.
     
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    Yup.
    Increased technology means better and more frequent monitoring and earlier levels of intervention which does save lives. But, it doesn’t mean HC gets cheaper. It only gets cheaper if the profit motive is removed. The overhead is much greater in for profit healthcare. Funny, every country...READ, EVERY COUNTRY that has govt. Funded healthcare reduces costs for per capita. It’s a no brainier.
     
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    How much is Medicare overhead per person compared to private insurance? In dollars.
     
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    Profit is the means by which entrepreneurs earn their salary for efficiently allocating resources and acting on market information. Profit means efficiency, especially in markets like healthcare and where there is healthy competition. What makes you think government will lower costs? It doesn't in any other sector.

    The overhead for Medicare is much higher per person than in the private sector.
     
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    Look up the meaning of “ overhead”.
     
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    Wrong.
    http://accuracy.org/release/medicar...s-increasing-bureaucratic-bloat-merger-mania/
     
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    http://accuracy.org/release/medicar...s-increasing-bureaucratic-bloat-merger-mania/
     
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    Green New Deal? Medicare for all? Free college educations?.....

    Presidential candidates have been making outlandish promises forever to get elected. They know they are lying.

    Once elected, they send their proposals to Congress knowing they will get shot down. Then they can go back to the blockheads who believed in them and say they tried--but don't worry. They'll be in office for the next four years fighting for them.

    The only exception is DONALD TRUMP. He has fulfilled his promises.
     
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    Yep. Mexico is still paying for that brand new wall
     
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    Ha ha
    For profit Insurance companies are not interested in paying out for care......we have 30,000 die per year in our private healthcare system. It’s an international disgrace when America leads the world in per capita expense and has worse outcomes.
     
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    You’re right. He promised to be an ****** and has lived up to it.
     
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    While Trump hopes to host the g7 in his lice infested hotel.
     
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    ttrryosbornsnobolean Banned

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    I have carried a letter for years written by someone who was tired of being pushed around and pissed on like our middle class. Basically, he stood up for himself and pushed back. He summarized his actions by writing:

    "Better to be an a******** than a fool."

    Anybody want to disagree with that?
     
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    ttrryosbornsnobolean Banned

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    Spoken like a true Trump Frother.

    Past presidents usually have front men who propose these ideas as trial balloons to see if someone will shoot them down. That way, a president can avoid the flack.

    Trump has the guts to speak for himself.

    He also does not need your vote of confidence. He got enough of that in 2016.
     
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