FoxHastings said: ↑ Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN. It makes complete sense since Anti-Choicers want to ban abortions, FORCING women to gestate How was it ignored if you responded What is YOUR "definition" of banning abortion?
The UNBORN have no rights. The BORN do. GET OVER IT! YOU LOST! In abortion the fetus dies a quick painless death and to compare that to the horrors of what Jews suffered is despicable! The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO.. The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that... Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured. Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
A typical response when one has no facts to back up their claims... You can't even prove what you wrote here and now !! LOL!
Like ... doh ... totally brilliant. If Planned Parenthood were closed down and shuttered, the entire country would thereafter once again be on the same page. That would be a good thing.
I wouldnt call her "sister" due to the fact she supports LGBT rights and is pro abortion. Jesus didnt come that we should "have life and have it more despondently" He came that we should "have life and have it more abundantly" It's fair to say that life and life more abundantly does not include the murder of 60,000,000 unborn children. The idea that "sister" joan chittister would advocate for these ideas indicates a profound lack of understanding of the scripures on her part. I would be willing to bet that she takes large sections of the new testament as allegory. She of all people should understand the term "holy matrimony" is between a man and a women. Her blind faith believing that God would approve of same sex marriages indicates she is no theologian at all: she's a wolf in sheeps clothing. She gives religious justification to the butchering of unborn babies - there is nothing more to say here --- she's a fraud, plain and simple.
I take it by "rights" you mean the right to die? The unborn have the right to die The Jews had the right to die The slaves had the right to die Did I nail it??? Pop Quiz Historically, a group of people lacking basic human rights sets the stage for the ___________ of those people. a) genocide b) infanticide c) killing d) murder e) homicide f) subjugation g) abuse h) destruction i) blessing j) slaughter k) dismemberment l) exploitation j) dehumanization hint: more than one option may be true
So this must be why you repost the same boilerplate over and over again when I compare the treatment of Jews, Slaves and unborn children?
Do you believe people should abide by the rules of all religions or just the one you have deemed to be valid? Making legal or even moral arguments based on religious preferences is not really a way to convince anyone — of anything — ever.
The UNBORN have no rights. The BORN do. YOU ARE FREE TO PROVE OTHERWISE BUT YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO. In abortion the fetus dies a quick painless death and to compare that to the horrors of what Jews suffered is despicable! The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO.. The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that... Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured. Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
Separation of church and state? Absolutely. Moral principles upheld through laws and legislature? Absolutely. Plenty of these examples are on the books, so abortion held to a moral perspective would not set a precedent. In competition with another abortionists for number of abortions performed? Thats called evil. And without "Good" standing in it's way, we would not have law and order.
Can you please knock it off with the huge text? Unless you are blind, can you please avoid using huge lettering? If you insist, I will simply do the same thing in return.
Acknowledge what I wrote as the truth and I may.... IF you insist on comparing the atrocious suffering of Jews and slaves to the quick painless death of a fetus and insisting fetuses have more rights than anyone else I will continue to draw attention to such a despicable statement...
So you forgot to answer all my questions. Is that because the topic would force you to confront the ugly truth behind abortion? Are you implying that fetuses don't suffer when they are aborted? And for the 10th time, I'm not comparing anything but the same dehumanization that happened to all three groups. For example, if we compare a murder victim of a hate crime, who was tortured and slowly then killed to another murder victim (also a hate crime) who was killed instantly we can still draw parallels between the two without minimizing the victim who was tortured, right?[/QUOTE]
Who’s morals though, that’s the issue — pro-choice advocates believe the moral choice is the right of the mother to decide (age of the fetus varies but most people settle around first or second trimester) while pro-birth advocates believe the moral choice is the life of the zygote or fetus take 100% precedence. A complete ban has been tried in America and across the world and it is universally a failure. I disagree that it is “good” to bring unwanted children into this world, born into poverty and neglect. There must be some common ground or this fight will continue indefinitely, swinging between liberal and conservative courts.
YOU have NEVER proven that fetuses have rights,...they do not....and YOU have NEVER proven they do. And learn how to use the quote function properly! Post # 1415 is a mess!
I have never met anyone before with succh an odd understanding of cost recovery. Okay let’s lay it out. I want to give you some carrots but you live a long way from me so it will cost me for wrapping shipping and delivery. So that I am not out of pocket I ask you to pay me that money I would otherwise spend
Agreed the ONLY a successful way of reducing abortion is free safe reliable long lasting contraception
This is the “investigative journalist” who has since been proven to have doctored videos about planned parenthood?
You sound really bitter at the thought of unborn children getting these universal rights to life? My intent was never to "prove" that fetuses have rights, they dont, like you said. My intent is to raise awareness and ask the difficult questions about the ugly truths that run wild in our godless abortion industry. And to make the case for WHY the unborn should have rights. But instead of listening to that and having an honest debate, you were too busy getting offended every time I brought up the issue of other groups of people who also had limited or no rights, at various points in history. In no way shape or form was I diminishing what they went through. Only comparing the dehumanizing elements common to all of them. You have evidence these videos were doctored? You say this has been proven? Planned Parenthood is sweating (background on the case): In these videos, Planned Parenthood was also exposed engaging in the following: Negotiating over infant body parts and joking about wanting a Lamborghini. Discussing the harvesting of baby’s brains, livers, kidneys and legs from tiny preborn children. Offering to alter abortion technique – a possible violation oflaw – to ensure tissue is undamaged and suitable for research. Bragging about the revenue earned by the sale of organs and tissue taken from aborted infants. Unashamed and undaunted in its mission to expand the abortion machine across our country, Planned Parenthood turned around and sued CMP and our client, trying to discredit and silence them. It does not want the public to see the truth about its ghastly procedures. On Friday, October 4th, Planned Parenthood’s lawyers called Co-Defendant Susan Merritt of CMP to the stand. She is the pro-life grandmother who went undercover to expose Planned Parenthood. The judge in the case has said that the abortion related nature of the videos should not be the focus of this trial, but the attorney for Planned Parenthood opened the door anyway, asking Mrs. Merritt why she recorded her conversations with the Planned Parenthood doctor. And the judge allowed it. Merritt’s answer was that her main reason for participating was to see if Planned Parenthood was engaged in criminal activity. She said that she went undercover to see if abortionists were really willing to alter the abortion procedure in order to profit from the sale of human body parts, such as performing partial-birth abortion. She also wanted to see if any other laws were being violated. As ACLJ Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow explained, Planned Parenthood had fought tooth and nail to keep this information from coming to light, and now their own attorney opened the door. This is a very big deal in this case. There are still many more witnesses to go in this trial, which is scheduled to continue at least through November.
I certainly do have evidence since it a matter of a court case - seemingly the SAME court case your idiot pro-life sites are touting as “proof of wrongdoing by planned parenthood” https://www.dailywire.com/news/judg...rial-orders-guilty-verdict-against-journalist
Breen argued that at no point during the trial did Planned Parenthood dispute the accuracy of the secretly recorded videos. So the videos are legitimate, right?
We already tried outlawing abortion - it was a failed experiment. The middle class and wealthy just went on vacations to areas where it's legal and only the poor were ever prosecuted - and that was back in a era where the whole country was far more conservative than it is today. You can look up Operation Jane and see how women were banding together to bus poor women to areas where abortion was legal if you think the country was, "on the same page ...". Even if Roe v. Wade was over-turned, that would just put abortion back to a state by state decision, and there over 30 states where abortion laws would not change.