Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

This is not the trial to establish that point

This trial is establishing the illegitimacy of trespass so accuracy or inaccuracy is not germane to the argument

 

..and you sound Really Bitter that women have a right to life and a right to bodily autonomy just like YOU have.




NO, you haven't shown a "truth" yet !

Gee, sounds like your "god" abandoned it....maybe you should too...you know , mind your own business and try to make yourself perfect???

They don't.

They can't.

IF they do, they diminish women's rights which I know would DELIGHT some folks but it just isn't going to happen..

Honest! ?

LOL! Honest !?

You mean with your fake "stories"?

Your admitted hyperbole?

Your off topic stories about cannibals?

YOUR inability to show where Planned Parenthood was ever convicted of anything?

Your inability to prove anything you've posted ?

The Jews and slaves were BORN PEOPLE...fetuses are not legal BORN PEOPLE..

The Jews and slaves had their rights TAKEN AWAY ( LIKE ANTI-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN)

FETUSES HAD NO RIGHTS TO TAKE AWAY.


The UNBORN have no rights.

The BORN do.


YOU ARE FREE TO PROVE OTHERWISE BUT YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO.



In abortion the fetus dies a quick painless death and to compare that to the horrors of what Jews suffered is despicable!





The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.

Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.

If you don't agree with that then it indicates to me you don't really want an "honest" discussion....


It appears you want an unborn fetus to have more rights than anyone else on earth has.....and that, to me, is ludicrous..

 

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Why do you have to ignore the following?:

"""Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?""

 

And there will be no trial to establish that point because the videos are legit.

After all, you can watch each one in it's full unedited length at this website:
http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/investigative-footage/

Here is another under cover video we have not discussed yet.

IRVINE, March 1–A new undercover video shows the relationship between Planned Parenthood’s late-term abortion clinic in Orange County and a local for-profit biotech company, Da Vinci Biosciences, to harvest the organs of aborted fetuses to sell nationally and internationally.

The video, produced by The Center for Medical Progress, highlights a conversation between Dr. Jennefer Russo, the Medical Director at Planned Parenthood of Orange & San Bernardino Counties, and citizen journalists from The Center for Medical Progress posing as a for-profit fetal tissue company similar to Da Vinci. Dr. Russo performs abortions up to 24 weeks at Planned Parenthood’s abortion center in Orange, CA.

Russo confirms that her Planned Parenthood affiliate is currently working with a local biotech company to supply aborted fetal body parts: “Yeah, it’s Da Vinci,” she states. Da Vinci Biosciences, LLC, and its sister company, DV Biologics, LLC, are located in Orange County, CA and have been partnered with the local Planned Parenthood affiliate since 2008. Planned Parenthood Orange & San Bernardino Counties’ 2008 Annual Report lists Da Vinci Biosciences as one of the major financial donors to the abortion group.

“They take the whole specimen,” Russo explains about Da Vinci. Russo asks the undercover buyer, “You’re looking ideally for an intact specimen?” “As intact as possible,” the buyer replies.

In the first CMP undercover video, Planned Parenthood’s Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, described using an ultrasound-guided procedure to flip the fetus to feet-first position in order to get intact specimens. When asked about using this procedure to harvest more intact body parts, Orange County’s Russo confesses, “Yeah, we like to do that too.”

Using ultrasound guidance to manipulate the fetus from vertex to breech orientation before intact extraction is the hallmark of the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure (18 U.S.C. 1531). Nucatola previously recommended Russo and Planned Parenthood in Orange County as good prospective partners for fetal body parts harvesting.

Russo also divulges that her Planned Parenthood affiliate is not using digoxin, the chemical used as feticide in later 2nd-trimester abortions to kill the fetus and prevent a live birth, due to a nationwide supply shortage. Without a feticidal procedure like digoxin, it is possible for a fetus extracted intact during an abortion to be born alive.

Asked a second time about producing intact fetuses in late 2nd-trimester cases for organ harvesting, Russo admits, “It happens sometimes, but it’s pretty rare.” She continues with a smile, “But, we try.”

A secret-shopper phone call to Da Vinci Biosciences confirms that Planned Parenthood’s latest cases are being done without feticide. When a caller asks for fetal brain from 18 to 24 weeks gestation, a Da Vinci sales representative assures, “It is feticide-free, considering that we have such a large catalogue of fetal tissue, I believe that would be a requirement for us, in order to have so many fetal products available.”

Invoices show Da Vinci Biosciences charging $350 for fetal liver, $500 for fetal thymus, and $750 for fetal brain. The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2).

“Although Planned Parenthood’s political and PR cronies work overtime to cover-up the revelations of its illicit baby parts trade, Planned Parenthood’s interstate criminal scheme to harvest and sell aborted baby parts continues without any transparency or accountability,” notes David Daleiden, CMP Project Lead. “The fact that a community like Orange County, CA, is open for business for baby body parts makes clear the need for law enforcement and elected officials to hold Planned Parenthood accountable,” Daleiden says. “And as the Supreme Court prepares to hear a landmark abortion business regulation case, Planned Parenthood’s baby parts scheme sends an urgent message about the critical need for States to have strong regulatory authority over the abortion industry.”

 

"""Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?""


Your own post shows that fetuses are NOT ripped limb from limb.

 

Your future, then, will lie in accomodating a body parts industry, legal or not, because no way around that. It's where biomedicine and "health care" are heading. As it becomes more established and accepted, it will soften up society to the harvesting of organs from prisons, PP abortion factories, and from people liberals/progressives don't like.

 

Moronic statement on your part.

Far more likely that cloned organs and reproductive DNA technology will have organs grown in labs.

 

Well, that wasn't very nice, now was it? You reply is stupid and ignorant, so there ya go.

They don't clone organs in China and India. They use organs from healthy adults, typically political prisoners. PP is apparently sinking to those ethics, but I'm the moron. PP wasn't caught discussing cloned organs, but fetal organs and parts.

But hold out hope. Staw men and fantasy are the stronghold of liberals.

 

Soooooo

You would be against “harvesting” of organs from anencephalic babies (those born without a brain) to use in transplants for babies born with failing organs?

 

then they should have been prosecuted for that because it is against the law in America

 

YUPPERS! If Anti-Choicers have their evil way and get abortion banned women would lose their right to bodily autonomy.

Then, since a precedence is set, who would be the next group somebody doesn't like who gets THEIR right to bodily autonomy taken away ????

The right of bodily autonomy protects us from having to use our bodies to sustain the life of others....that right should extend to women who are people, too...whether Anti-Choicers think so or not.

 

That doesn't make sense.

 

How would the "entire country " be on the same page?

BTW, it isn't on the same page with any topic.

 

In the law.

 

YOU said:
Shook said: ↑
Your future, then, will lie in accomodating a body parts industry, legal or not, because no way around that. It's where biomedicine and "health care" are heading. As it becomes more established and accepted, it will soften up society to the harvesting of organs from prisons, PP abortion factories, and from people liberals/progressives don't like.""

I took that to mean you are warning against people's right to their own bodies (body autonomy) would be taken away...

So I answered:
YUPPERS! If Anti-Choicers have their evil way and get abortion banned women would lose their right to bodily autonomy.

Then, since a precedence is set, who would be the next group somebody doesn't like who gets THEIR right to bodily autonomy taken away ????

The right of bodily autonomy protects us from having to use our bodies to sustain the life of others....that right should extend to women who are people, too...whether Anti-Choicers think so or not.

 

No, there would still be sane decent people who would object to 50% of the population losing their basic right of bodily autonomy.

 

Which “law”?

 

You already have "bodily autonomy", and whatever else your problem is, I can't help you.

 

Unless and until that “autonomy” includes a right to do as you wish with your own body then it only a conditional right

 

Don't want a baby? Dont have sex. Or make sure youre protected. Very protected. Because a slight lax in judgement on your part may very well mean the death of your future child down the line. That would be called a very selfish decision.

BTW protecting innocent babies from a billion dollar a year industry like abortion is a noble cause. The only thing "evil" about this entire situation is that you call yourself an american and you are pro abortion.

Another form of evil would be to lie to the world and say you are not profiting from trafficking baby parts when we have PP administrators at the highest level talking about compensation beyond simple reimbursement.

Remember, God creates, Satan kills.

 

The unborn fetus inside the mother is not part of her body.

 

Then it can be removed and fend for itself

 

7 billion people on the planet. Bottom line is the sex drive is very powerful and not even priests seem immune

“Protected”.

Little side bet here

You mean using condoms don’t you ?

 

Then explain how it can't be removed and grow on it's own .


you have NEVER answered that question or addressed that issue, never admitted that a fetus can't grow on it's own since it 's part of the woman it's in.

IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE WOMAN THEN THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON FOR HER TO BE FREE TO HAVE IT REMOVED.


Why do you bounce from one abortion issue to another after a having been already shut down on that topic several times???