Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

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https://www.theguardian.com/busines...e-after-us-drone-strike-kills-iranian-general

 

The US failed to tell the UK it was going on this terrorist spree so our Government was not able to make sure our people are safe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-uk-advance-warning-of-attacks-says-senior-mp

Notice that Iran. Brits not involved. No need to kill our people.

 

I don't think you are patronizing me at all. We just have different perspectives on war. Libertarians side with Republicans on most issues, but not on war.

Looking at Libertarian-ish Rand Paul's comments today, I tend to unsurprisingly agree with him.

I'm more than happy to see people who have killed innocents be killed. That is just. I just want to see this get de-escalated as quickly as possible, and I don't see how that happens at the moment.

Tweets from Paul:

Senator Rand Paul‏Verified account @RandPaul 3h3 hours ago

"President Trump viscerally understands that the toppling of Saddam Hussein made Iran stronger. Soleimani, like Hussein, was an evil man who ordered the killing of Americans. Yet, the question remains, whether his death will lead to more instability in the Middle East or less."

"The question today is whether the assassination of Soleimani will expand the war to endanger the lives of every American soldier or diplomat in the Middle East?"

"If we are to go to war w/ Iran the Constitution dictates that we declare war. A war without a Congressional declaration is a recipe for feckless intermittent eruptions of violence w/ no clear mission for our soldiers. Our young men and women in the armed services deserve better."

 

I topped off my tank on the way to work and suggested to my boss to do the same. That's very temporary relief if we end up in a long-term increase in gasoline prices like we saw during the Obama years. Anyway, bye-bye for a while to $2.00 gasoline we've enjoyed the last couple of years in Texas.

Perhaps prices will stabilize quickly after the "news" wears off. ..or maybe not. Depends what happens over the next few days.

 

You seem to have amnesia about WHO started all those wars, REPUBLICANS!!!

 

No I don't. America united in support of Bush going to the Middle East to avenge the 9-11 deaths on American soil. The entire narrative feel apart though, after we found no weapons of mass destruction. It turned into another endless war. Bush should have bowed out and brought our troops home; Obama should have bowed out and brought our troops home. I bring up Obama because he was our most recent war hawk and perhaps worse because he talked like a dove but walked like a hawk. At least Bush was transparently pro-war.

 

The first thing that came to mind was that this was done in order to distract from his impeachment. That's how evil and rotten to the core he is, that he would jeopardize any diplomatic attempts at peace in the Middle East in order to save his own fat ass. He's following the wishes of Netanyahu. Israel wants Iran vaporized and they know that Trump is just the sort of unstable man that would do it. "What good is having nuclear weapons if you don't use them?"

 

People supported invading Iraq because Dick Cheney and George Bush lied their asses off about "weapons of mass destruction". It was always a lie, but it got the people in the US to go along with that insane war.

 

Don't worry, my friend. Jared is going to bring peace to the entire region!

 

the left is confirming another perfect example of why we say that if Trump cured cancer the MSM would complain that oncologists are out of work.

 

So, you think Trump curing cancer is analogous to Trump ordering the killing of Suleimani?

That's very puzzling.

 

War isn't a partisan thing. It's apparently an American thing...going around pushing our views on everyone and being the world police. Both Republicans and Democrats play the same game. Only one side acts as if they don't.

My entire life we've been involved in some kind of questionable war and we've had a fairly even trade-off between Democrat and Republican presidents.

 

we will have to wait to see how this turns out, Trump gets credit either way, time will tell

I think most Americans do not want another 10+ year war... I am hoping this does not escalate

I think both those on the left and right don't want another 10+ year war in the middle east, this is not partisan, just reality

 

I can both respect your opinion about Trump having done " good" things for our country and at the same time disagree with you. My opinion as I have stated it is that I strongly believe that this action of convincing this Iranian terrorist general to die was taken for Rump's personal reasons not as you may be implying for the "good" of our country. The motivation by Trump here is a bit like Trump wanting Ukraine to "investigate " Hunter Biden now that his Dad is running for POTUS.

 

Last week China, Iran and Russia had naval maneuvers in the Gulf to show that they are perfectly capable of monitoring the situation there, and that the American ships were not needed. Could this have led up to Trump's actions? If so, maybe it was on Saudi Arabia's bequest and not Israel's to save Netanyahu's skin? Who knows?

The one thing I did read though, was that Israel was bracing for war, so was this being planned for quite some time, and the attack on the embassy was just an excuse? A warning was sent out to all Westerners to leave Iraq, Syria and Israel.

 

My first comment on this thread was our meddling over their is either oil or Israel (and that the Saudi's are probably happy today). This could be motivated by Saudi Arabia....though they should have taken out the general themselves.

Saudi Arabia wants oil to be close to $80/barrel so they make more profit. Iran wants to flood the market with oil at $60/barrel or less to make a lot of money off volume of supply, a price which makes it difficult for Saudi to make a profit.

 

There was a way to solve Israel's security problem with Iran. All Washington had to do was get its troops out of Syria. Assad said that if all foreign troops leave, with the exception of Russia who are their guarantors, then he will ask Iran to leave.

But people being people, and ego's being ego's …

 

...and because all governments lie to their perceived enemies.

 

A better solution ... ? `

 

What good has he actually done? All he has done is artifically boost the stock market by irresponsibly increasing the federal deficit by signing what the Republican Congress put on his desk. The rest of his efforts have been to make an absolute ass of himself and this great nation, whether it was by praising the little dictator in North Korea and saluting his general; or by prostrating himself before the Saudis after claiming in his campaign that he wouldn't; picking fights with our friends and allies around the world; vilifying and actually bringing harm to immigrants and asylum-seekers, including women and children; agreeing with Putin about Russian interference in our politics and personally encouraging, soliciting and even coercing more foreign interference to help him in 2020; withdrawing us from an agreement to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons and instead antagonizing them further, creating the growing conflict he is now getting us into with them; or by ranting and raving on Twitter as well as in front of cameras, spewing nasty personal insults at anyone who says anything unkind about him and wounds his massive, fragile ego, and accusing Democrats and the FBI of treason and all sorts of other absurdities for no reason whatsoever, tearing this country apart as best he can and thereby bringing harm, not benefit - division, not unification - to the United States of America.

All he works hard to do is promote himself and keep himself in the White House as long as he can and away from criminal indictments. He expends his energy playing golf, feeding his fat face and posting insane rants on Twitter to promote himself. He put his inept children and unqualified wealthy donors in charge of important government functions and departments.

But, gee whiz, the stock market is good and employment numbers are still good, even if his silly promises to bring back coal (and roll back the clock, apparently), bring back manufacturing, make Mexico pay for a new border WALL and reduce the deficit have not been kept in the least. We are worse off now than before he disastrously rolled into Washington and commandeered the Republican swamp to do almost his every bidding and to run interference and defense on his behalf.

 

Trump has a number of accomplishments which you would not recognize. Besides that's off topic.

 

And who was the first president to break international law and go to war without the UN's approval? It was Clinton when he bombed Serbia and killed thousands under false pretenses - not to mention the thousands in Serbia who are now getting cancer from the bombs. Of course our liberal press isn't going to tell you these things.

And then there was Obama who entered Syria under the pretense of fighting terrorists, when he was actually supporting them to topple Assad. A policy that Trump is continuing the way that Bush continued the war mongering policies of Clinton.

And then let's not forget Libya, and how we destroyed the wealthiest nation in Africa and turned it into a chaotic mess - but isn't that our specialty?

 

There seems to be a growing feeling that how it ends is the US is out of Iraq and Iran gets more power there. That was said on ITV news by the ME expert with no ifs or buts. He believes that is it - the die has been set.

A guardian article suggests that yes it could escalate but US withdrawal from the region is the more likely outcome and also points out the obvious -there were no issues with Iran until the US under Trump reneged on a deal which had taken 12 years and two Presidents to make.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nald-trump-foreign-policy-iranian-middle-east

 

If Iran didn't leave Syria after our troops pulled out, then we could always go back, so there was no excuse. It only shows that our intensions are not honorable and that a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of them.

 

Well, I wouldn't exactly define Syria, Iran or Russia's intentions "honorable". We poked the hornets' nests decades ago, but they are still hornets. War has no winner, but citizens pay the biggest price for dishonorable government actions of war.