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I am sick of recreational abortion! Keep my tax dollars away from mass murderers!

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Aquarius, Jan 9, 2020.

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  1. yguy

    yguy Well-Known Member

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    Actually neither will, in isolation from the other.
    Because neither is arguably a human being. You're welcome.
     
    yguy, Jan 11, 2020
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why you so desperately need my approval of you, what you feel, or anything else..
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    WHY would it die???

    YOU said it isn't part of her body so why would taking it out kill it???






    you didn't answer the questions you quoted...


    :) Why not? :)

    NO one else is allowed to do that so again, you insist the fetus have more rights than anyone else.
     
    FoxHastings, Jan 11, 2020
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Yes, if you want the fetus to have the right to use another's body to sustain their life then that means the fetus has more rights than anyone .



    That's impossible....no woman can demand that another person use their body to sustain her life....no woman can demand another person give her their heart or kidneys or blood.... NO ONE CAN.


    But you think a fetus can so that means you think a fetus has more rights than women or anyone else...



    LOL! The fact that you cannot refute and/or address that says it all....

    So you think it's "poppycock" that a person can't force another to give them their heart or kidney or blood?

    So who gets to kill who to get a heart they need??
     
    FoxHastings, Jan 11, 2020
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Yes, if you want the fetus to have the right to use another's body to sustain their life then that means the fetus has more rights than anyone .






    That's impossible....no woman can demand that another person use their body to sustain her life....no woman can demand another person give her their heart or kidneys or blood.... NO ONE CAN.


    But you think a fetus can so that means you think a fetus has more rights than women or anyone else...




    :roflol::roflol::roflol: Unable to refute or even address one word.....pathetic.....I guess when one has no real argument it's best to yell Poppycock! ...how about "Balderdash", that, too , could hide the fact you have no answers :)
     
    FoxHastings, Jan 11, 2020
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    Do they throw beads out when having these parades of unprotected sex?
     
    Moonglow, Jan 11, 2020
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  7. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly! It takes a whole host of prerequisites for any of those cells to eventually become a human adult,
    none of which are guaranteed, which is only one reason for why basing the abortion cutoff point on that criteria is nonsensical.

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't.

    All I'm saying is that if we're going to post here, we should stay focused on the core issue;
    if and when abortion should be allowed/whether there should be any exceptions to the cutoff.

    If we're good with the following,

    Abortion should be legal before the 24th week and illegal after the 24th week gestational,
    with exceptions for life/health of the mother, rape, incest, or fetal abnormalities...​

    I.e. If we agree that that's acceptable, then that's all there is too it.
    If we disagree on that, then we can discuss why.

    -Meta
     
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  9. yguy

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    But only one of them is arguably a human being from its inception. You get that, right?
    Dunno what you're talking about, but the only cutoff that makes any sense is conception.
     
    yguy, Jan 11, 2020
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    That is literally the exact opposite of what you were just saying...

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 11, 2020
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    i've already expressed my thoughts to the fullest extent...

    i'm not at all concerned with anyone aborting their parasite at any time... as far as i'm concerned, the world's better off with them ending their genome line...

    are you concerned with their behaviour? their lives?
     
    Blaster3, Jan 11, 2020
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  12. yguy

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    Maybe this is the problem:

    you: So why apply rights to one and not the others?...

    me: Because neither [of the others; i.e., sperm or unfertilized ovum] is arguably a human being. You're welcome.​

    Get the idea now?
     
    yguy, Jan 11, 2020
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  13. Meta777

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    So when you said "neither" you were only referring to the sperm and egg but not the zygote?
    That does clear things up a bit, but in that case the assertion is nonsensical.
    You're saying that a zygote is human but that sperm and egg are not human?
    They all contain human genetic material. They can all potentially turn into a human adult.
    But neither, or I should say none of them, are human adults in their current stages,
    and none are guaranteed to become a human adult.

    So I ask, why choose the zygote stage as the cutoff for abortion?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 11, 2020
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hmm... so if a law were to be established which set
    a 24 week gestational cutoff point for abortion along with
    exceptions for life/health of the mother, rape, incest, or fetal abnormality,
    and increased availability of contraceptives along with it, while leaving open the possibility for abortion loan programs,...
    would you support that law or would you oppose it? .... Or would you be indifferent to it?

    Naturally I do not want anyone to die.
    Certainly not the mothers, but also not any fetuses who have reached the stage a mental life.
    Any behavior that results in either dying should be avoided. Though with that said,
    ...prior to mental life or PP, I do think the decision ought to be left with the mother.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 11, 2020
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    Now THAT is a mental image that won’t leave me! :p
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 11, 2020
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    The only difficulty this now opens is what constitutes a “foetal abnormality”.

    Does this include Down’s syndrome? Any of the Trisomys? Dwarfism?
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 11, 2020
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    Correct.
    No, I'm saying a zygote is arguably a human being, which can be said for neither sperm nor egg.
    You have your answer.
     
    yguy, Jan 11, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    A mother is responsible in taking care of her unborn and her newborn.

    If she doesn't care for her unborn and her newborn, then they will die.

    How is that demanding?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 11, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    A mother is responsible for taking care of her unborn and newborn. If the mother doesn't take care them, then they will die.

    So, how is taking care of a newborn any different than taking care of her unborn?

    IT ISN'T DIFFERENT!!!!!!
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 11, 2020
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Generally speaking, fetal abnormalities refer to defects that are likely to result in a very short life,
    sickness, chronic pain, and or death, assuming a fetus with such defects even survives long enough to be born.
    In such cases there may also be risk to the mother. You know... things like the stuff listed here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fetal_abnormalities

    Though there's really no reason it couldn't be defined in a different way, perhaps to broaden it?
    But more likely to restrict it. Either way, whatever folks can agree on is what we ought to go with I say.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 11, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Nope. Not propaganda.

    abort73 gets ALL its data from the CDC.

    Are you saying that the CDC is now propaganda?

    Here's the CDC link...
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 11, 2020
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    Can't find the stats there
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    My mistake I was talking about mothers with children already not married
    QUOTE="hellofromwarsaw, post: 1071334815, member: 66783"][/QUOTE]
     
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    Under marital status...
     
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    NBC News
    Who's getting abortions? Not who you'd think
    Jan 18, 2008 · About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to ... She had an abortion at 19, when she already raising a ...



    upload_2020-1-11_19-34-41.png Fatherly › Love & Money
    Who Gets Abortions? Poor Mothers Protecting Their Families. | Fatherly
    May 15, 2019 · The majority of women who seek out abortion are already moms. ... women receiving abortion who already have one child — 33 percent have two or more.
     
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