American College of Physicians calls for radical change

I'm willing to bet if you go to these countries where doctors are paid equal to the ones in the states, yet they have socialized medicine, the either pay really high income taxes or their government taxes every little thing in their life.

So if you want to be a slave to your government go live in one of those countries.

 

Ok, I am done playing — you want to play <choose your own adjective> then have at it — I will not be party.

 

Or I will advocate for change here, but thanks for your adult response.

 

Taxation is theft if you can't agree with that there is no discussion here.

So don't even bother trying in the future.

 

Nobody here wants your change it won't work there are far too many of people mooching off the taxpayer as it is willing to bet the amount of government assistance being given out here far exceeds most other countries

 

The article claims 159,000 Physicians support Medicare for all. That's out of approx. 950,000 physicians total. That's about 20%.

 

Good tip, I wont.

 

What percentage do you believe is needed before it is significant enough to be taken seriously that there is an issue with our healthcare in the country? 40%? 60%? Simple Majority?

 

Yeah, sorry people have views you disagree with. Maybe if it's something that bothers you so much find something else to do with your free time.

 

Such a gem coming from the person that just called me a liar then told me to leave my home country because I don’t agree with your narrative.
The mental gymnastics must be exhausting.

 

We pay the MOST but we only get the 27th best healthcare in the world!

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-ranks-27th-for-healthcare-and-education-2018-9?IR=T

Obviously we are NOT getting what we are paying for!

Not by a very long, long, long way!

 

Aww so sensitive.

First I never called you a liar so falsely accusing me of something is a bit of irony.

I simply don't see a good reason for pretending to be Europe when there already is a Europe.

Maybe if you are exhausted from your mental gymnastics, quit being butthurt, quit crying about people accusing you of lying.

I'm opinionated. If you can't handle that don't talk to me.

 

There is nothing wrong with our system. People that work full-time get health insurance through their employer. Those that don't get health care through the HRSA.

There are two separate but not equal systems. If your in Medicaid (MediCal in Calif), you have to be seen specific doctors and facilities. Most likely not the ones you'd like go to. I think that's what rubs them the wrong way. Why should WE get excellent service quickly when we work for our health insurance and they have to wait because they don't work for theirs but want the same service. Universal Health Care gives crappier health care to folks that work hard for better care now, and more expedient care for those that don't or won't work for theirs. It's typical class envy, they want what you have without working for it.

Health care is available to the poor and folks with no insurance, you'll just have to stand in line to get it. I know, I went 7 years with no health insurance. I went to the County Health Center for regular stuff and the County Hospital if I needed anything else. Did I have to wait in line...yep. Did it suck...yep. But, I wasn't in a position for full time employment and company sponsored health care. Am I now...yep. I work hard for a Cadillac Health Plan at the age of 61 with disabilities. If I can still work after being run over by a 28,000 lb Armored Truck on the highway at 55 mph, for those that simply can't there is SSI Disability/Medicare. For those that won't, go wait in line at the County, you'll get care.

https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

 

That's why $50,000+ Canadians cross the border each year to get needed health care and pay out of pocket for it.

 

Healthcare should not be tied to your employer

So we already have a medicare for all type system in costs but not in the areas of benefits such as negotiated rates? That seems counter intuitive...

Let’s just say you get laid off, at your age unless you have some high demand skill you will likely not find another employer, why should your medical care suffer due to items that are not your fault.

I use to have the same mentality of I’ve got great insurance, **** everyone else then I saw what my parents went through with a terminal cancer and the sacrifices they had to make even though they had excellent insurance. If they didn’t have that level of insurance my dad would likely have zero assets and no home. Our healthcare system doesn’t have to be cruel.

 

Why?

You have proof the rates aren't negotiated? Post it please.

It's called COBRA.

My Mom was on Social Security/Medicare at age 76 and died of bone cancer. Her insurance was excellent with NO asset requirements.

 

Something often not mentioned, if HRSA isn't good enough they can work more.

Yeah people want posh healthcare without paying for it. It's the idea that they deserve something they didn't earn.

It's the socialists nightmare. People who do more for the world shouldn't be able to benefit from their work. They should be equal to the lazy.

Talking away the idea of earning something. Ever wonder why it's neerdowels that champion socialism.

And be grateful to the country that gives you this. We could say "lay in the street and die." But people aren't grateful. Like selfish little brats give me more now. These charities aren't first class.

 

What does that say about Americans then?
“According to a 2015 report by the US International Trade Commission (USITC), between 150,000 and 320,000 Americans travel abroad every year to receive healthcare.”

America has great healthcare if you are upper class, average to below average if you are middle class, and poor healthcare if you are lower class.
What good is it if you cannot afford it?

 

They need to get a job.

 

https://www.niskanencenter.org/whats-wrong-with-employer-sponsored-health-insurance/

https://thefinancebuff.com/health-insurance-makes-healthcare-expensive.html

Which is unobtainable for many due to costs.

My parents had private insurance. Strange how you are against “socialized medicine” if your family was on Medicare which is a basic health insurance. Why shouldn’t all people have access to that?

 

Most people have “a job” and many people can still not afford healthcare.

 

They already HAVE JOBS!

25% of all jobs pay BELOW the poverty rate under your criminal IMPOTUS!

Furthermore he has created ZERO jobs that pay living wages with benefits!

Try sticking to the FACTS instead of just spouting extremist rightwing DISINFORMATION!

 

Do you have any idea how much it costs to operate a medical practice. When services are sold below those costs there is a serious problem. The idea should be to find ways to reduct medical costs and keep government out of it.

 

"Keeping the government out if it" is why PRIVATE HEALTHCARE costs have gone insane!

Other nations use the POWER of Single Payer to NEGOTIATE lower prices for drugs.

Here in America Big Pharma is allowed to PRICE GOUGE consumers for drugs that cost cents to manufacture and are sold for THOUSANDS of DOLLARS!

 

I disagree completely. Still capitalizing things I see. We agree on a problem but certainly not on a solution.