As trump guy ..I do agree with left on few things

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    I am huge trump supporter

    I do agree with the radical left on only a few issues and I am not afraid to say them

    1) banning assault style weapons and high capacity clips and having huge background checks . Banning concealed guns !!!

    2) breaking up the cartels in the tech world even through I think the far left is lying they will do this

    3) environmental laws against endangered animals !! The cons are horrible on this

    My biggest issue will be stopping immigrating from the 5th world and will vote trump again
    I want all criminal illegals gone and a wall
     
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    I also feel the trump tax cuts have failed to help the middle class and only rich have benefited!!

    I love the fact how Trump has stood up to our enemies, new trade deals and ended catch and release
     
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    Immigration is my top issue !! Trump

    Guns is beyond insanity and the second amend must be altered
     
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    On the immigration issue, it seems that Trump has only been able to provide a bit of replacement fencing.
    I think the main thing holding him back is funding... as it is, he's been taking money out of the military just to build the little he has.
    I believe that if we want anything more it is going to take congressional action, and they will ultimately have to compromise to get it done.
    Even then, a wall (as in a solid wall) is probably out of the question, but if we stop kicking the can down the road and address the immigration issue as a whole, we could double the current amount of border fencing, increase the number of border patrol agents, and fix a host of other issues all at the same time. But again, it will take compromise or it will never happen/if it does happen, it wont last.

    A while ago we actually had a Ranked vote to determine what the consensus here at politicalforum was as to what just such a compromise should look like. What are your opinions on the result? Would it be suitable as a compromise in your opinion?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...hensive-immigration-reform-compromise.550626/
    -Meta
     
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    So you agree with Trump's immigration policy but your views on other issues are squarely in the democrat camp, yet you will likely vote for Trump? Interesting. Never heard this one before.
     
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    Well thought out Quasar44,

    I too am a Trump supporter but being in the firearms industry I can honestly say with 300-500 Millions of guns out there, you will never keep guns away from people that want to do harm. I have no real solution to guns other than having you look at the concentrated areas that gun violence is occurring and if the laws on the books were enforced and mandatory additional sentencing was not being plea bargained away, you would see a marked difference in gang violence.
    We need judges, not more than the already 25,000 gun laws that are already on the books.
     
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    I applaud the OP for his post. Maybe one day he will realize that the immigration thing is overblown and designed to keep him voting for people like Trump
     
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    We have laws against murder and illicit drugs but that don't stop the bad people. So laws against guns won't stop the bad people -- but a law will punish law abiding people. The only deterrent to some degree is harsh and swift punishment for those committing a crime with a gun.
     
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    Wrong on everything. Tax cuts help everyone. More money in the economy creates more private sector jobs increasing demand for labor which drives wages higher while simultaneously increasing production which keepsi inflation in check.
     
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    I agree, I think the key to stopping bad people with guns or just bad people hurting productive people is criminal justice reform. If I have to read another story about a 36 time locked up criminal released just to hurt someone else I'm gonna puke. I'm all for giving people 2nd chances but 36??? In alot of gun violence cases the offender had multiple run ins with police and we all need to have a serious conversation about what our goals are with criminal justice AND be realistic with ourselves that there are just some people who can't be saved all they can do is bring others down with them
     
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    Madmen and n'er do wells can never be stopped from committing mass shooter murders. Now the phenomenon appears in Thailand, of all places, but old peaceful, Siam has changed to very raw politics between the yellow shirts and the read shirt elites, and Buddhism is fading.
     
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    Yeah, great progress on that wall, eh? 99 miles of fencing replaced, ONE MILE of new fencing erected in the last three years. Promise kept! </sarcasm>

    Trump is all talk, and he always has been. :blahblah:
     
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    Mass shootings are not really what I really worry about. The real "gun violence" is among the cartels and gang bangers in this country and in the liberal city I live nearby, 95% of all shootings occur in three or four concentrated areas no larger than a half dozen city blocks. Liberal mayors have given orders to police chiefs to stand down in order to hide real crime statistics and far-left attorney generals have further exacerbated the problem.
    Weak prosecutors and liberal judges are the bain of our existence. Lock the little bastards up.
     
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    #1 nope to anything but yes to background checks.

    I agree with #2.

    #3 yes and no' we go over the top. in my city we spend many 100's of thousands to avoid inconvenience to our local owls and they are fkng everywhere! seriously everywhere ' they've become a serious nuisance l.
     
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    it seems like their is zero soliton
     
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    The US immigration invasion is the worst in history
    I voted T before and will again
     
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    It is not overblown in the least. If it were the blue states would not be so compelled to get felons back into voting, early mail in voting, illegals able to obtain a drivers license which then allows the motor voter registration, ballot harvesting, etc. TRhe list goes on ron and you know that to be a fact.
    1. Present a photo ID, including an address, at the polling place before voting.
    2. Paper backup ballots placed in boxes watched by a member of the national guard.
    3. Instead of a stupid I voted sticker, dip the little finger of every voter in ink what will not come off for a week.
    4. Restrictions on early and absentee ballot voting that makes them the last to be tallied.

    I am sure any rational person like yourself would love to see elections become more secure.
    See how easy this is.
     
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    Walls and locked doors only keep out honest people. Did you read yesterday about the camouflaged ladders being erected to scale the walls???
     
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    I'm with you on 2 and 3 and stopping illegal immigration. Not with you on 1.

    As far as environmental laws I am with you to a certain extent. There has to be a balance in the real world and while the Right is fairly guilty of cutting regulations for profit the Left takes regulations to the absolute extreme. We have to find a rational balance between modern industrialized life and environmental conservation. I'm not about stopping oil pipelines due to the discovery of some endangered butterfly or something but I'm also not on board with just destroying the planet without mercy in every instance if it makes human life more comfortable. Many of these Far Left environmental policies are just not grounded in reality in the modern world. America already leads the way in CO2 reduction per capita. What we need to do is figure out a way to ensure America's energy independence as well as making REALISTIC sacrifices as a society to help further save mother nature. Banning airplanes and regulating how much steak a family is allowed to have is not realistic.

    Good post though. A classic example of the average voter in America that seems lost on so many folks in this extremely polarized world we live in. There seems to be this misconception that when you vote for someone then you are 100% for them. That's rarely the case, most folks have a hierarchy of beliefs that are important to them and they vote for whichever candidate supports their most strongly held beliefs. As in your case, Trump will NEVER do number 1, he would lose his entire base if he did but it's something you want him to do. However, your biggest issue is stopping illegal immigration which ranks higher up on your priority list than banning my AK-47s so he gets your vote.

    Meanwhile you will of course get a myriad of folks claiming that if you vote for Trump at all then you are any number of names because you must automatically support anything he does. In the world of 2020 it's all or nothing in the eyes of many people which is exactly what is wrong with society right now.
     
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    There are always solutions but you have to eat the elephant one bite at a time.
    Suicide? Guns make it easier but people will find a way.
    Gang and cartel violence? Admit that if the sentencing was different and plea bargaining was somewhat curtailed and the "committed with a firearm" had some teeth, we all would be better off.
    Minimize those two items and the stats drop like a rock.
    Second tier,
    I am not even opposed to some sort of reasonable rules regarding the transfer of a firearm to another person involving a private sale but you have to understand there are already laws that can hold the seller responsible for that gun for in some states up to a year after the sale. I said reasonable, not the $120 that CA charges for a transfer. All this involves a huge upscale in personel to handle the paperwork.
    Lastly, sadly, we cannot ever eliminate the nut jobs bent on killing a lot of people at one time. Hardening our schools, training and arming our teachers is a big step and being taken in a number of states in spite of all the caterwauling of the lefties.
    As proven daily, gun free zones seem to be the target of evil people and thank God for the armed citizens that stop crime on a daily basis.
    Summed up, Keep your head on a swivel, get training, arm yourself, get more training, and you will walk through life with a completely different approach.
    I have for the last 30+ years. In God we trust but carry a Smith & Wesson just in case.
     
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    I totally agree and I lost count how many times I've argued that the gun violence problem is not a mass shooting problem although they are tragic: so I'm not discounting them.

    But for every mass shooting there is out there that gets all the media attention invariably you can go to Baltimore Detroit Chicago Los Angeles and see that multiple x more people died that same day through just standard gang-related drug-related violence.

    And most importantly only a percentage of those deaths are actual criminals' lots of innocent deaths that we ignore while going over the top with 24/7 coverage when john doe shoots 9 people.

    /rant

    Focus on the 1% of neighborhoods that are the true problem and strengthen schools and public places. < statistically toughening up enough public spaces isn't going to make much of a difference but it will reduce the media hype.

    99% of neighborhoods are very safe and 99.9% of gun owners are very safe just focus on the bad guys, agressively.

    It certainly wouldn't hurt if the media didn't take a plane crash mentality to every mass shooting, but that wont happen.
     
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    Red flag laws must have concrete proof that a person is close to going off
    . You can just fabricate and that person is screwed and it’s hard to get gun back
     
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    Which is one of the main reasons why red flag laws are controversial. Laws like this rely on the honesty and integrity of human beings and in saying that are very ripe for abuse.

    Lets take a profile case example.

    Single middle aged male. Never married, no children. Lives alone with no pets not even a fish. Very few friends, no significant other. Drinks alcohol routinely, multiple times per week and sometimes to excess on weekends. Usually drinks alone at home. Prone to violent outbursts for hours on weekends. Mental illness in the form of PTSD, hypersensitive to loud noises such as doors slamming or things being dropped. Career job requires a willingness to commit violence. 1 sibling with whom he has a very unstable relationship. Has multiple firearms in the home.

    Dangerous? Hell yeah, on paper that guy seems creepy and unstable and probably shouldn't have guns.

    Reality? That guy is me and when you explain each of those points it's nowhere near as "Red Flag" as it seems.

    Yeah I've never been married and I have no children. My job is so demanding that it has been extremely difficult for me to maintain a healthy relationship with anyone. And I am often in pretty remote places so even meeting people is hard. I live alone because I love peace and quiet and I work too much and am gone from home way too often to have a dog or anything. I have very few friends because the majority of folks my age are married with children and due to the nature of our job we work so much that the little time off we have they usually spent with their families. I drink alcohol weekly, maybe a beer or 2 on some weeknights and I do occasionally have one too many whiskeys on the weekends. I drink alone at home because it's cheaper and I like the comfort in knowing that while I am drinking and my wits aren't about me regardless of what happens I am already safely in my home. And if I happen to drink too much the most trouble I can get into is falling asleep in my recliner with the TV on wasting electricity. I've spent the majority of my adult life in the combat arms wing of the US Army during the War on Terror, so part of my job is to literally commit violence. Due to multiple concussion blasts I have PTSD and I do get easily freaked out when I hear loud noises (which is actually pretty funny to watch). I do have a sister and we don't get along AT ALL. I am an avid football fan and you will hear me screaming at the TV loudly whenever my teams are playing on Sundays. And I have a bunch of guns.

    Am I actually as terrifying as a blanket profile of me might portray? No not really, but if I wanted to "Red Flag" me for any reason it wouldn't be very hard to do so. And that is the problem with these types of laws. I could twist anybody's "profile" into something negative.
     
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    Inky pinky is an excellent idea.
     
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    Been used in a number of countries since 1962. Has been opposed by every democrat since Jan 2, 1962, as they could not find a way to clean it off immediately and go back in to vote again.
     
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