FL Coronavirus Patient on Deathbed Says Hydroxychloroquine Saved His Life

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  1. bx4

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    His history over the last several years says you are giving him FAR too much credit.
     
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    Ask Pelosi and Schumer. Ask everyone whining about Trump giving "medical advice" when all he did was mention a drug that had some positive results.

    Ask there folks:
    Now tell me it isn't political.
     
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    Again, lefties sure seem to have their panties wadded over a drug that is showing promising results. The reason is obvious. Many doctors are agreeing and using it on coronavirus patients with success. You lefties keep pouting.
     
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    Paid shills for evil?
     
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    I don't see why he should. Nor do I see how partisan politics enters into it at all.

    Trump's actions ARE those of a clueless imbecile and if anyone is being partisan, it's Trump.

    If Trump really wants to do something he should work at speeding up the trials, putting staff and resources on the matter, he could make an enormous difference there. Instead, he wants to claim credit for it before it's really known to be beneficial at all. Thus he encourages people to do harmful things and builds up what might very well be false hopes, which will doubly depress everyone if the drug doesn't work. Once again he shows clearly that the welfare of the American people is important to him ONLY as it affects Donald Trump and in no other way whatsoever
     
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    Who knows. The guy asked me who or what made it political. I just wondered why he asked me and not any of those other folks.
     
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    No one is saying that the drug shouldn't be used as a life-saving measure. You are giving at least the impression that you want it given to everybody in the hospitals under treatment and it might very well end up killing people who would otherwise recover if you do that.
     
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    I’m not really disagreeing but this treatment is most effective if started early because it slows replication of the virus. Once there is massive tissue damage in the lungs and the body’s immune system is overwhelmed it’s going to be less effective. That’s the “science” anyway.
     
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    Grasping at anecdotal taradiddles that comport with one's agenda is an extremely poor substitute for rigorous scientific testing to establish the efficacy of any regimen.

    Gimcrack nostrums such as being administered Hydroxychloroquine or drinking cow urine abound, but control groups and replicable results are among the essential requirements.

    One prudent precaution against the perennial snake oil purveyors is to ignore slick politicians' fake emissions, and to look to knowledgable and competent "deep state" medical experts for reliable information.

    13 Coronavirus myths busted by science

    An intersting observation concerning Coronavirus:
     
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    Then it should be given to those patients who are getting worse quickly and/or not responding well to other treatments, and the clinical trials should be given all the enormous resources the government can bring to bear. This is something Trump should be doing, and if he does this, and it works, I will be the first to say he deserves credit for it, but only AFTER the tests are done and the results are in. Trump wants to take the credit NOW and not even bother whether the drug works at all.
     
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    Your observation is classic. I had to school “scientists” on the details of why temp and humidity matter after Trump claimed this exact thing may happen. Your link just confirms what many told you long ago.

    I suggest you do some research on chloroquine and why we believe it will work before discounting it. There has been serious research going on for years on zinc’s effects on RNA virus replication and metal ionophores in treating everything from viral infection to cancer. That way you can avoid the mistake everyone made by mocking the idea summer would have a negative effect on spread.
     
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    There are quite a few people here who are the best examples I know of the fact that the absolute worst thing about Trump is Trumpers.
     
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    Right to try trials are in progress. That seemed clear from that press conference. Other countries have been doing trials. Chloroquine production and procurement are in full swing. You guys complain about over hyping this but then act like nothing is being done if the government doesn’t divulge every little detail to you. Do some reading. The science is sound. This is not a new idea. I’ve posted links in another post. Start there. Make up your own mind after getting facts instead of political spin. Obviously spin is all you have now because you had no idea this idea isn’t new.
     
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    How about let the patient decide? Establish your data base as dying victims recover. Or not. You get your abstract for applying for the grant, and otherwise dead victims get to go home.
     
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    As I see it, the main problem here is/are lawyers.
     
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    I suggest that, regarding the pandemic, you follow my example of heeding the pronouncements of competent scientific authorities, rather than the effusions of self-promoting politicians and crackpot quacks.
     
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    It isn't political.

    What I am saying that now is the time for Trump to shut his mouth and put the government to work for all of us and get these clinical trials DONE. INADB it's my understanding that Clinical trials aren't supposed to take forever and they can be speeded up quite a bit by the age-old government method of throwing money at them.

    If Trump does that and the trials are successful then I will be the first one to say he deserves credit for speeding up that process, but he, and especially his Trumper fans, seem to want him to get that credit NOW and they seem to want to viciously attack anyone who wants Trump to do this speeding up rather than simply nominating Trump for the Nobel and not even bothering with the minor detail of does the drug work.
     
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    Read my links. I’m dealing 100% with facts. Everything I’ve stated is the result of extensive scientific research. Please educate yourself on this subject. You are a science denier if you continue in this vein.
     
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    Throwing public money at anything usually assures that whatever it is you're talking about isn't going to go any faster but languish for inventions of new ways to get more money.

    Let the patient decide if he wants the treatment/drugs. Voila.
     
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    Petty ad hominems aside, if you are heeding the pronouncements of competent medical authorities, rather than the effusions of self-promoting politicians and crackpot quacks, as I have recommended, you have no cause to demur concerning my advocacy of legitimate science.
     
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    Refer to the French controlled study, there is a chart in the video in post #63.
     
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    I thought the LW was for choice?
     
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    You are actively advocating against science on this issue. When you can voice an opinion on chloroquine use to combat viral infections using terms like chelation vs. ionophore, RNA synthesis, or elongation I may reconsider engaging you on the subject. As long as your knowledge consists of terms like “quackery” and “crackpots” we can discount your opinion as that of a political hack who denies scientific evidence. :)

    Carry on.
     

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