FL Coronavirus Patient on Deathbed Says Hydroxychloroquine Saved His Life

No one suggested that further testing was some sort of leftist plot. It was suggested that the medicine not be withheld and further testing needed to start last week. It was also suggested that lefties seem upset by the success of this drug on coronavirus. On my governor's facebook page, there were some actually ANGRY about it. Unbelievable!

No one ever suggested it has been used to cure coronavirus for 80 years. Not one person, yet you continue to lie.

And if it's saving lives, it certainly should be availble at every hospital, to prevent death. Why you don't agree is obvious once again.

 

Bigger game changer than the Polio Vaccine?

 

This isn't a vaccine, although a vaccine would be great news.

 

The Cure for Cancer would be a Baby Aspirin compared to Trump's (Certain to Win Trump the Nobel Prize for Medicine) Epic Game Changer.

No worries.

Trump cured the Virus and is headed to Nobel #2.

Now he has a 2nd Nobel (to go with the Peace Prize he won for ending the Korean War).

No Foolin'. Serious Bidness! #MAGA

 

So you're just hanging round to insult people and pout because the team the Trump administration is leading the way and has done a fantastic job.

 

They just can't stand it.........

 

What regular thinking people can't stand is Trump trying to undermine the social distancing effort by peddling unproven "cures". Why does he do that? Because he hates his "magical" Trump economy taking a hit.

 

We have two different ideas of leading the way and doing a good job.

The Governors have been tremendous though. Thank god for adults.

 

Trump has screwed this pooch since 2017. He started ****ing this up before anybody even knew it was going to happen, that must be some kind of record.

 

No one has referred to anything as a cure, you just made that up to help with your reply. What it is, is a drug that is helping people recover and even saving their lives. Why do you want to ignore that? We should definitely look into it more and use this drug more to save people. Sorry that is so upsetting.

 

Trump's way is to abolish the one agency whose whole job was to deal with this kind of thing because it was founded by a hated predecessor, then to dither about hoaxes while the situation gets totally out of hand and finally take credit for things he had nothing to do with and probably is still delaying.

But hey, he hates him some Mexicans, you betcha.

For governors, I think the best is our own Ben Hogan, one of the very few Republicans I really like. I see Presidential timber here but you're going to have to fight before we'll give him up.

 

I really hope this works, and I mean really works. I have this nightmare that it won't but then Trump will go on that the "Deep State" is trying to kill all of us and themselves too just to make him look bad.

 

Take a look at this chart 35 seconds in, it has the results of the new treatment next to the control group: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6144015101001#sp=show-clips

 

You did.

You did not.

Based not on any facts but on your prejudice alone.

That is the point yet you say that particular medicine has been in use for 80 years and therefore is tried and true.

It is your lie if you deny it.

That is not what you said, and you know it. You only now say "if it's saving lives" but that is not what you said before.

You are really silly but you tell me what this "obvious" reason is, Hillary.

 

Hell no. He will rationalize it.

 

What does politics have to do with it?

 

if trump gets the credit for jumping the gun and taking credit for the scientists discovery before all the testing completed, then he also gets credit for all the complications if it happens

no one ever said this drug would not work, what they said is it might work, but testing was needed before we just gave it to everyone willy nilly

I have no issues with testing experimental drugs on death bed patients as they would die anyways - let all hope this works and hope Trump stops trying to steal credit for others work

 

if it works, will thank the scientists that figured it out

can't believe Trump supporters trying to give the credit to Trump

 

they are working on it, they said a couple months

doctors lose their license if they prescribe drugs before they are tested and approved, Trump has no license to lose, so he wants to just take the gamble... his casino went bk

 

And so would a cure but may or may not be it

Meantime touting this drug as a cure has led to

1. People believing that social distancing is not important
2. People eschewing basic infection control measures
3. Rush of people wanting to use the drug as a preventative ( and there is zero evidence for that)
4. Rising number of backdoor vendors attempting to get the drug
5. Rising shortage of the drug available for what it was originally designed to do
6. Rising number of scammers selling fake knock offs
7. At least two deaths from overdose

 

Trump is what I call a “magic wand manager”

Because he has never put in real effort on anything he thinks he can just say “nuke the hurricane” and the problem will be fixed. He constantly comes up with batshit crazy ideas ( moats with crocodiles and snakes on the border) and it NEVER EVER occurs to him that there might be a bloody good reason why we do not do what he suggests

You have probably worked with someone like this in the past and they would have had you grinding your teeth from day one

 

I don’t do Faux news

I prefer to research the ORIGINAL journal article and critique that for myself (you will just have to accept that I know how to do this)

The original study was a small number non randomised

What does that mean? It means that the results may or may not have been a fluke

We will probably trial it regardless BUT it is an unknown whereas we KNOW that infection prevention measures WORK!

 

It’s my opinion we are well beyond anecdotal with this treatment. I think much of the distrust of chloroquine as a treatment for viral infection stems from misunderstanding of how it works. Because it has traditionally been used for malaria (caused by a parasite) it seems illogical it would be effective against viruses. Interestingly enough, we aren’t exactly sure how chloroquine works for malaria, but we have part of it figured out. This explains chloroquine and malaria.
https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/infection/a6256/avloclor-chloroquine/

Moving on to Coronavirus, chloroquine does not actually have an effect on viruses as far as I can tell. What is actually limiting viral replication is Zinc. Chloroquine is a zinc ionophore that increases zinc concentration in cells, allowing disruptions to replication. In effect, zinc is “flattening the curve” of exponential viral replication in cells to the point the body’s immune response can step in and actually have a fighting chance.

This paper does a good job of explaining the details of the zinc side of the equation.
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176

South Korea is using chloroquine. I believe France is as well. China did/is. I believe Italy is not and that may explain part of the difference we are seeing between these countries. On France and Italy my information is from an unlinkable source and I’ve been unable to verify. If anyone has information pertaining to this I’d like to see it.

I guess my point is that this is not some snake oil remedy. Trump did not come up with it out of the blue. It is based on sound science and has been researched pretty extensively. I’m going out on a limb and predict New York will see success and in less than two weeks chloroquine will be in widespread use in the US.

 

yep, I will wait on the experts, no way I am gonna take trump's guess, he has a 50\50 chance of being right

and if he is wrong, he won't take any responsibility, and if he is right will try to take all the credit from the scientists

 

Really? Have you read the forum? There are threads that have the word "cure" in the title. ALL of those posts and threads are from Trump fans.

Second, you accuse me of ignoring a drug that can save lives? Show me where I said that? You can't.

I WISH for this drug combination to be beneficial and reduce the human toll of this disease.

My point is: This drug, even if it will be shown down the road that it works, is currently NOT a replacement for social distancing. Peddling this as a "cure" makes people complacent and undermines the social distancing effort. That's why giving false hope for a "cure" could be very damaging.