Wake up, fellas!! We got new info: Israeli Historian Discovers '6 Million' Holocaust Figure Was Invented at Zionist Conference In 1944 According to documents in the Central Zionist Archive, the first mention of the 6 million claim was at a meeting of high ranking Zionist political figures in Palestine on January 19th, 1944 -- more than a year before the war in Europe ended and a census could be taken, and a year before the Red Army entered Auschwitz. I'll be back later. Read on here: https://national-justice.com/israel...ure-was-invented-zionist-conference-two-years
Where's the problem? Haaretz wrote also ... Here's the original article: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ted-by-polish-survivor-not-eichmann-1.8781961 (It's accessible without a premium account)
You're right, "Jewish" does not necessarily mean that something is wrong and bad. However, funding for the world's glut of grisly and melodramatic holocaust theme parks and "research" groups is dependent on their concluding the same myths that keep the $ Billions coming so they are hardly an impartial and credible source In other words, if any of these Jewish/Israeli holocaust "research" groups were to discover documents that contradict holocaust myths do you think that they would publish anything that would jeopardize the funding they have extorted and continue to extort? Of course not! If the truth were to come out, not only would the money stop flowing in but global outrage against holocaust hoaxers would be enormous and the very basis for the foundation of Israel would be endangered. Now, I would appreciate your responding to the questions I have posed in my very recent posts. 1. Do you really believe that only the Axis Powers used propaganda and why would Allied propaganda stop at the end of the war. After all, once you've told propaganda lies about homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal agenda etc, don't you have to try to perpetuate those same lies/propaganda? 2. Gena Turgel claims not only that she survived the "gas chambers", was "experimented on" by Dr. Mengele, comforted Ann Frank in her last moments etc and all this rubbish was printed by MSM. Not to be outdone, Moshe Peer claims to have survived six trips to the gas chamber. Do you believe them and what does it say about MSM that they would publish these and other outrageous fantasies(1)? 3. When given both sides of the story, even 8th Grade students have the common sense & critical literacy skills to see through holocaust myths. Additionally, the ADL study(2) claims that far more people around the world do not believe the standard holocaust narrative so, why do you believe so many things that are so transparently false and defy common sense simply because they were in your school textbooks? Thanks, (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED (2) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
All sides used propaganda lies during WW2. After Hitler was defeated, propaganda wasn't necessary anymore. The Holocaust wasn't a major issue for the Allies during WW2 anyway. The full extent of that crime only came out afterwards. I can't judge which of these is true or not. Everything that's spectacular is, of course, interesting for the media. But the media didn't write the history of the Holocaust. Common sense is deceptive. Holocaust deniers preferably appeal to common sense because they know that most people have a lack of knowledge. What most people believe is irrelevant to me. I trust more what I find most plausible. And I see that the stories of the Holocaust deniers are pretty wrong.
Re: Allied propaganda was, indeed, employed after the war to perpetuate the false narrative that the Germans were cruel and sadistic blockheads. What were the postwar, phony "human skin lampshades", "human skin pocketbooks", "human fat soap" etc except propaganda lies to show that the German camps were evidence of inhuman German atrocities? What are Steven Spielberg's fictional WW2 movies except residual anti-German propaganda? What are any of the post War, Hollywood WW 2 movies that repeatedly depict the Germans as cruel, cowardly and bungling dullards except for blatant propaganda? Why else would the US Government call on Hollywood fiction writers to report on the liberated camps except to perpetuate the same fraudulent propaganda narrative that the US had used during the war(1)? I'm afraid that residual, US, WW 2 propaganda is so subtile, omnipresent & pervasive in today's Hollywood productions that people don't even think that they're even being lied to(2). Can you think of a single WW 2 movie in which the Germans are not portrayed as cruel, cowardly and bungling idiots? Now, that's propaganda. Re: I just showed, above, that Hollywood/the media does, indeed continue to write the history of the holocaust through Spielberg's fictions etc. As far as Gena Turgel and Moshe Peer's claims to have been gassed and survived, you're bound to have an opinion as to whether their fantastic tales are true or not. The last time we discussed this same incident, you said that the claims deserved closer investigation because they seem so incredible. What do you think now and why do you think that MSM would print such nonsense without any form of verification? Re: What is most plausible about Gena Turgel & Moshe Peer: - That Moshe Peer survived 6 gassings at Bergen Belsen where no "gas chambers" were claimed to exist? - That Gena Turgel survived a "gas chamber", was experimented on by Dr. Mengele, comforted Ann Frank etc.? - That both of them are lying for easy money and widespread attention and knew they could get away with it because MSM will print whatever they claim? As it turns out, Gena Turgel had simply been in a shower and lied about "gas chambers" but MSM printed "gas chambers" with no verification for gullible holocaustians: "We waited a while and then water came through the walls. It was wonderful. For many weeks we had had no water on our backs. We were all drinking it."(3) Gen. Patton got into big political trouble by commenting on the very poor personal hygiene of the Eastern Jews who had never seen a shower and assumed that all showers were "gas chambers". (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED (2) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates" https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light."CONTINUED (3). "Amazing escape from Auschwitz gas chamber" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cape-Auschwitz-gas-chamber.html#ixzz3RvOE4Ygt
For what reason? Western allies helped Germany to get on its feet again because they needed Germany as a buffer zone against the Soviets. Money was made from these lies. Most People long for sensations and exciting stories to fill their boring everyday lives. Look at Donald Trump. He's a notorious liar. Everybody knows that, but people love him anyway. Let's assume that none of what they said is true. Would this lead to the non-existence of the Holocaust? I don't think so. There are too many other events that clearly prove the Holocaust. We can find lots of such stuff on Youtube. Hitler drove the Germans crazy. Look at old movies of NSDAP rallies and how Hitler behaved in his speeches. Also look at clowns like Goebbels, Goering, and their behavior. Even the swastika alone is hard to beat in terms of bizarreness. Hitler and his Nazi gangsters offered one template after another to mock them. This led to funny films like this: There you can see the clear distinction between good Germans (Hans and his parents) and bad Germans (Nazis and their helpers). This contradicts your claim that all Germans was seen as mad, idiotic criminals.
While I'm sure that we agree on many other topics, we clearly disagree on what has recently come to be known as the grossly inflated and crassly exploited Holocaust Based on what you've written through this thread, it seems like I'm much older than you and have had much more experience around WW 1 survivors, Weimar era survivors, and WW 2 survivors of multiple nationalities. I was surrounded by very candid, US WW 2 Veterans at a very early age. Later, while living, working and studying in what was then W. Germany, I worked with many German WW 2 Veterans who were more subdued and seemed more introspective than US WW2 Veterans. I was also in Grade school & High School well before Holocaust brainwashing became mandatory. "THE Holocaust®" wasn't significant enough to merit even a cursory mention in any of the very thorough history classes I took. Far from being the "greatest genocidal crime in all of history", it is really just a small footnote to WW2 and pales in comparison to the many genuine genocidal mass killings over time. You mentioned earlier that the holocaust "happened" just like in the school text books from which you learned. It appears that you were also heavily influenced by cartoons and simplistic, one dimensional denazification propaganda. That means to me that you did not escape Holocaust "education" / brainwashing nor have you had the opportunity to learn from either Allied, German WW 2 Veterans and actual holocaust survivors who tell the truth. If you had known some of the people from whom I've learned, you would know that Hitler didn't "drive the Germans crazy" and what may seem bizarre to you, today in the pampered existence we enjoy seemed like Germany's last hope to the hungry, humiliated and hopeless people of post WW1 Germany. While it may be great fun to indoctrinated individuals to mock the "clowns" and "gangsters" of the Third Reich, you'd be much better served to use some some critical thinking skills and to think objectively than to learn about such a complex, historical subject through Disney cartoons. Re: Please name some that are most convincing to you. Thanks,
Genocide perpetrated by the Nazis, dear friend. They have physically destroyed many innocent lives and also severely damaged German patriotism and pride. It is up to you which of these you find more disgusting.
You misunderstood me. My German teachers mentioned the Holocaust very casually/rare. The entire history of the WW2 seemed embarrassing to them. I suppose they were suffering from the trauma of having lost WW2. I did Holocaust research on my own. At first, I was fascinated by Holocaust denial. The idea that everything is just a big lie has driven me to want to know more and more about it. But the more I read the "revisionists", the clearer it became to me that they aren't seekers of truth. Their strong political motivation was always evident and that really pissed me off. What first comes to my mind on Holocaust evidence is ... J.C. Pressac's book "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers" The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials in 1963 Patrick Desbois' Yahad In Unum Project Steve Hochstadt's "Sources of the Holocaust" The book: "Neue Studien zu nationalsozialistischen Massentötungen durch Giftgas" (only available in German, I think)
Re: I don't know of any revisionist who claims that everything about the holocaust is a big lie. Yes, many people who were real or perceived threats to Germany were arrested and placed in work camps where some were executed, some were transferred to other camps, some were released and many died of natural causes and/or disease. Yes, because united Zionists around the world declared war (an economic boycott) on Germany(1), Jews were among those who were rounded up and placed in camps very much like Japanese-Americans were rounded up and placed in internment camps in the US. Yes, many died in the German run internment camps especially near the end of the war due to a shortage of food and medicine because Allied destruction of German infrastructure made it impossible to supply the camps. Subsequently, there were piles of typhus infected bodies that were used as "proof" of a non existent genocidal agenda. What revisionists reject are unproven lies about a genocidal agenda using homicidal gas chambers, steam chambers, "vaporizers"(2), "Conveyor belts of Death"(3) and other non existent contraptions fabricated by Allied propagandists and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry to demonize Germans and obfuscate the real atrocities committed by the Communists & Western Allies. Re: I'm part German and am simply fed up with the holocaustian lies and ongoing Allied propaganda generated by the Holocaust Industry & its complicit MSM used to continue to demonize Germany & the German people. No one I know who suffers from "Holocaust Fatigue" & rejects the fraudulent holocaust narrative has a "strong political motivation". Can you give me an example of a "strong political motivation" for rejecting the outright lies that pollute MSM almost every day(4)? (1) "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933" https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt EXCERPT "Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933. "Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933. "The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933."CONTINUED (2). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED (3) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED (4). "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
but we have official data and know that J-W genocide is a lie, why do you persist in posting such fraud? Whats going to happen with america when the bulk of americans figure out how the same people are now raping our asses? What I find immoral is all the lives the J-Ws destroyed for the sole purpose of keeping their parasituc money cabal in operation. The Scorpion and the Fox is used to illustrate that the behavior of some is so irrepressible that they will act in a certain way, no matter what the consequences, death included. There’s plenty of material on the web to illustrate why some people cannot be trusted. The Scorpion and the Fox story goes along the following lines: A fox and a scorpion both need to cross a river. The scorpion asks the fox for a ride on its back as it cannot swim. The fox refuses saying “no you’ll sting me”. The scorpion replies that it wouldn’t, as it would damage the both of them. The fox agrees and allows the scorpion to ride on it’s back. Half way across the river the scorpion stings the fox. As the poison takes effect on the fox and it starts to sink it asks the scorpion, “Why?” “Why did you sting me, now we are both going to die?” The scorpion replies, “I couldn’t help myself, it’s in my nature”.
A well known Holocaust denier who stands out in this regard is the British writer David Irving. He worships Hitler and hates Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_War https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/11/irving1
NOT, purely political, marxi-commie-zionist.J-W politics as I explained in several posts. Why do you infer antisemitism? We know all the tricks, no one falls for that **** now days!
so you pretend that hard data from the national archives with complete description and reel numbers are nothing? Very strange indeed.
I don't understand why you continue to rely on the Zionist dominated Wikipedia(1),(2),(3), (4) & MSM if you hope to get an honest and objective version of the topic at hand. Of course the Zionists and the Holocaust Industry's complicit MSM are going to slander anyone who attempts to take an honest and objective version of Hitler and WW 2. I still don't see how Irving had a "strong political motivation" or what his political motivation was? Do you think that he expected anything but slander and vilification from the cowardly, comfortable and well rewarded establishment historians who simply parrot residual Allied propaganda and regurgitate what the Holocaust Industry feeds them? You know that it takes courage to speak truth to power and that's all that Irving has attempted to do. You may not know what happens to revisionists who tell the truth. Robert Faurisson received countless death threats and was beaten nearly to death by cowardly Zionist thugs, Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure, IHR offices have been firebombed & repeatedly vandalized, Nicholas Kellerstrom was fired from his job etc etc for the same reason that there are repressive "Holocaust denial" laws in about 14 "democracies"; the corrupt & influential Holocaust Industry is desperate to repress the fact that most of the standard holocaust narrative is a lie. (1). "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet" https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/ Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia "CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED (2). "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY (3)"The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz" https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia. The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED (4). "Zionist Control of WikiPedia" http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia
Because Wikipedia isn't Zionist dominated. A Holocaust "revisionist" who tells the truth is a contradiction by itself. These people, whom you call revisionists, are Holocaust deniers. That is the only correct term.
I reject your lying bullshit, dear friend. Please link to a page of the National Archives, if you want to present information from them.
Here is a short list of Jewish owned websites: 1) Google It was founded by Larry Page, Sergey Brin in 1998. Both are Jews. 2) Facebook It was a Jew who founded that website in 2004. Mark Zuckerberg is a Jew. He also owns Instagram so count that website owned by a Jew, too. 3) YouTube YouTube's CEO Susan Wojcicki is also a Jew. 4) Wikipedia Yo bro. The website that help you make your assignments most of the times, is also founded by a Jew. Jimmy Wales is a Jew. 5) Ask.com You might open this website too sometimes if you are a college graduate and look for ready made answers for your assignments. Bad news for you, this was also founded by a Jew, Garrett Gruener. 6) Tumblr This platform is also founded by a Jew, David Karp. 7) NetFlix This is also founded by a Jew, Reed Hastings. Wix.com Poor souls use this website to create their miserable and free websites. This is also founded by a Jew, Avishai Abrahami. 9) Quora.com You might have never opened this website directly, but search engines have shown you Quora links for your search query. Well, this one is also owned by a Jew, Adam D’Angelo. Another website like this is Answers.com that is also owned by a Jew, Bob Rosenschein. 10) Twitter Twitter is also co-founded by a Jew, Noah Glass. 11) Vimeo This one is also founded by a Jew, Zach Klein. 12) Yahoo Current CEO Marissa Mayer, and even previous CEO, both are Jews. 13) Pinterest This fancy website is also founded and owned by a Jew, Ben Silbermann. 14) eHow.com Also founded by a Jew, Richard Rosenblatt. 15) DailyMotion.com This YouTube's alternative is also founded and owned by a Jew, Benjamin Bejbaum. 16) Linkedin Do you know this website is also founded by a Jew, Reid Hoffman. Even though this got recently acquired by Microsoft, but what you have been up to all these days? 17) PayPal The CEO of PayPal is a Jew, Dan Schulman. 1 SnapChat This application is also founded by a Jew, Evan Spiegel. There are so many more websites and popular smartphone applications that are founded and owned by Jews, like Reditt, Imgur, Getty Images, Adobe etc. There are many other core technologies too that are founded by Jews like Oracle, C++ etc. http://www.manhoos.com/2016/07/popuar-websites-owned-by-jews.html -------- Latest casualty of Jewish censorship: The Unz Review Suddenly Banned by Facebook! .... banned for alleged violations of “community standards” and our own Facebook page eliminated. https://www.unz.com/announcement/facebook-bans-the-unz-review/ .... I used to occasionally consult Ron Unz for the truth of certain things. Anyway, read the link, it's most interesting and revealing.
Why are you afraid of Jews? What makes you so sure that all Jews work together and want to do harm non-Jews? Hitler believed in such conspiracy nonsense. And you told once that your parents grew up under the Nazi influence. Please forgive me, I don't want to insult you, but you remind me of Ursula Haverbeck. You both learned during your childhood that Nazis are the good guys.
This is frequently said. This is what we frequently hear. But it's fake. When a slave in Gongo did not produce enough for his lord back in Belgium.... than a reprisal was that the hand and feet of his child was getting chopped off. People died from famine there as well. The claim that nothing compares to a Jew, set on a train, to than be gassed at the other end.... yeah well... dying from hunger with a chopped off hand and foot because your enslaved father couldn't manage to work hard enough compares perfectly. And just saying: it is legal or was legal -I don't care- in the US to be gassed to death. The type of gas is quiet the same as that was used against the Jews. A type of gas that got labelled not cruel to be used. Is it cruel to get your hand and feet chopped off because your enslaved father could work hard enough? Is it cruel to die from hunger? And not just you... but by the millions just like the Jews in WWII. All there is, is a taboo that this is all.. "omg did you really?" Yeah so. Nobody would dare to argue that starvation aint cruel. So there we go. Nobody would say that chopping of limbs aint cruel... or do you... You go say this aint cruel: And do note... these victims were made to pose for amusing their owner. Do smile when "we" take a picture... cmon lil lad... "A father stares at the hand and foot of his five-year-old daughter, severed as a punishment for having harvested too little rubber." "Congolese men holding cut off hands" Lets see how many sculls I can shoot through with 1 bullet. And lets pose... smile lil lad. Cmon. And by the millions... by the millions. It takes a nazi to down play the holocaust to even deny it happened. Always has this nice zing to it. But it also takes a nazi to down play the genocidal ways of colonial rules.
