Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

No intellectual problem with that whatsoever, he could even of made you capable of understanding why that is, but appears not to of bothered!

 

Do you really believe you can successfully wage war ("combat")
here inside Thread World? Pecking on a keyboard?

Do people here really proclaim the existence of ghosts and
ghoulies to you? Or are you referring to people who tell you
about John 3:16 which says that "For God so loved the world
that He gave His one and only Son that whosoever believes
in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

If you are referring to such as John 3:16 why is me telling you
about John 3:16 intimidating? You are free to believe it or not
believe it, are you not?

 

No, I've only seen trite excuses...no wisdom...

 

So you don't mind

FoxHastings said: ↑
He allegedly created a world....he should've been able to create a world where humans were happy and
comfortable....I'm sure we would've appreciated life without seeing"" children raped and tortured and
humans shoved into gas chambers and cities wiped out in floods and fire and people starving...many
of whom were good decent people...""'

You're claiming your god made such a flawed product that he needs all that...

 

No I was mearly using the language of the theist I was quoting! But clearly you give a pass to the theist and try to blame the language on the atheist!

Yes they really do, there is no difference between your god and satan and the fairy tales I used to tell my kids, perhaps you can explain the difference between them?
No it is not intimidation because I do not believe in it, try to understand why people use caveats like "trying to intimidate" very useful to help understanding!

 

Its enlightening to know that you have no intellectual problems with
this:

JAG Wrote:
"The red 1958 Ford truck was an intelligent smart phone and
served in World War l as a General in command of a platoon
of rabbits who distinguished themselves as potatoes in the
mess hall where the chef served them to the pacifists. Ronald,
please give serious thought to my reply to you. It contains
much wisdom and harmonizes perfectly with your views that
an Omnipotent God can make 2 + 2 = 7 and can make square
circles."__JAG

I disagree. God cannot make square circles or make 2 + 2 = 7
or do anything else contrary to His nature.

One of His many blessing to me. Thank God I do not, and can not,
believe that 2 + 2 = 7 and that square circles are a possibility

 

The god of the bible is supposed to be timeless, why cannot you conceive that if he is timeless he can alter his creation and do anything he wants, it really is not that hard, if you open your mind!

So you presume to know the nature of your god, is that not just a tad arrogant like a flea presuming to know the nature of a dog?

Perhaps this would suit you, "god grant me anything but do not grant me perception".

 

This is simple to me. Wherever there is power, there should be accountability. Where ever we willingly cast credit and honor as it shows itself, we should willingly cast blame and dishonor as it shows itself. An arrogant judgmental and self indulgent god demanding recognition, obedience or retribution from us, ought not condemn arrogant judgemental and self indulgent people he created, for following his example.

If a version of god is a hypocrite, I tend not validate or honor him. If he is harsh in his judgements, I tend not be less so in mine. But what does not involve either, and is far simpler, is a decision not to pass a judgement on the specifics of a abstract concept of God, if I reach a conclusion that the premise behind God may be suspect.

I don't need to bother making any moral judgements on the quality of his decisions, once I conclude there is likely no 'there' there in the first place. Rather than make decisions about God, or his message, I make decisions about both the people who purport to believe, and those that do not based on their statements and their actions, and leave 'god' alone and leave 'god' out of it.

 

Therefore according to you none of those actually exist. Why not?
Because we can know for a fact that "fairy tales" do not present
characters that actually exist. You said there was no difference in
those three. So? So its pointless to seriously discuss that which
does not exist.

On your lights they do not exist. So? So how can anyone possibly explain
the difference in characters that do not exist.

So why do you want to fight against something that you do not
believe in?

 

People fly planes into buildings because of their non existent gods, you think I should not try to persuade them otherwise?

I asked you to explain the difference, clearly I cannot, but if you believe one exists, one does not. explain the difference

I explained that the use of the word combat and therefore the suggestion of fighting was copying the theists language and yet you continue bearing false witness. Most atheists do not care what you believe in, that you use those beliefs to shape the world bothers them.

 

Hello Ronald,

I have made it clear about 3 times in this thread that I understood
perfectly the concept "if such a god exists" -- for example I posted
the following about 2 or 3 times.

Here it is again:

JAG Previously Wrote:
You are mistaken. There are many atheists who have said that the
God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible for all the evil in the world.

What does that mean? Well atheists do not believe that God exists
but, for the sake of argument, they say that if the God of the Bible
does exist, then He is responsible for all the evil in the world because
He is Omnipotent and could have designed a world without evil.___JAG

 

The opening line of your thread!

 

Persuasion is always cool. I don't think you will have much success
here inside Thread World, pecking away on your keyboard, persuading
Theists to stop believing in God.

The projected number of Theists in the world by the year 2050 is about
5.7 billion Theists --- that's counting the Christians and the Muslims.
And not counting the Jews.

Here are the stats on that:

Theism worldwide is very strong and very healthy.
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2.8 billion Muslims plus 2.9 billion Christians by 2050.
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Does that come out to 5.7 billion Theists by 2050? And that's not counting the Jews.
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5.7 billion Theists is a lot of Theists by 2050
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Projected growth of Christianity by 2050
Some of the projections are as follows:
[96]

1. Over the 2010-2050 period, Christians will remain the largest religious group with 30.7% of the world’s population. However, Islam will grow faster and become 29.7% of the world’s population. Therefore, by 2050 there will be 2.8 billion Muslims compared to 2.9 billion Christians.
2. “In the United States, Christians will decline from more than three-quarters of the population in 2010 to two-thirds in 2050.”
3. “Four out of every 10 Christians in the world will live in sub-Saharan Africa.”

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In the section By Country, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...wth#By_country

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Christendom, according to the linked article, will decline in the United States by 2050, however . . .

Christendom is growing in the Global South.
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Christianity is growing in Africa.
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Christendom is growing in China. There is a huge "underground" Christianity in China. House Church.
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Christianity is huge in South Korea --and growing.

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Well continue pecking away on your keyboard here inside Thread World, Ronald.
You have your work cut out for you. Theism is HUGE and GROWING worldwide.
I am reasonably certain that you pecking away on your keyboard is not going to
even so much as make a little tiny dent in Worldwide Theism.

 

Pecking away has seen blasphemy laws removed in my country amongst all the other things theists condone, it works in educated countries very well, but atheism is not what will eventually destroy your religion it is apathy that will do it, your god is no longer relevant to much of the modern world, it will go with a whimper at the hands of a world that does not care!

 

LOL

This from a guy who believes some sky hero creator exists even though there still isn't even a speck of credible or compelling evidence to support such a fantastical hypothesis.

Many believe that guys like you are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance, allen...

 

That's good Ronald. We don't need any laws against blasphemy
anywhere in the world -- free speech you know.

Ronald thanks for the chat. Nice talking to you.

Take care.

 

So I take it you think Christian missionary work is important?

It does not bother you in the slightest how entire indigenous cultures were wiped out by "good" Christian missionaries?

 

No problem Jag hope you understand the problem with picking a god that men claim is omnipotent, they are by definition capable of doing the impossible, kids tend to realise this and grow up to be non believers if left alone and not brain washed.

 

What is your view of all these non-Christian murderers listed down below?
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot.

"The Death Toll From Statism: Civilians Killed By Governments - excluding wars

China (communists) 35 million
Germany (total 20th century) 21 million
The Holocaust (1938-1945) 6 million
Soviet Union (total 20th century) 62 million
Stalinist Purges 1930 -1930 -- 20 -60 million
Cambodia (1975-1979) 1 -2 million"

Source: It's getting Better All The Time: 100 Greatest Trends Of The Last 100 Years
by Stephen Moore and Julian Simon
page 16
published by the Cato Institute.
Moore and Simon got the above from Statistics Of Democide by Rudy J. Rummel
as cited in The Economist magazine.

It does not bother you in the slightest how entire indigenous
cultures were wiped out by non-Christian peoples throughout
history?

It does not bother you in the slightest how millions of human beings
were slaughtered by non-Christian leaders and nations?

For example . . .

Mongol Conquest -- some 60 million dead
An Lushan Rebellion -- some 36 million dead
Second Sino-Japanese War -- some 20 million dead
Conquests Of Tamerlane -- some 20 million dead
Dungan Revolt -- some 16 million dead
Source: Wikipedia article on "War

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Questions for you:

(1) Is there any actual discussions that are lengthy and polite and sincere
and charitable in this particular section of this forum, or is all of it about like
you see in this thread?

(2) Do you think that your question . . .
"It does not bother you in the slightest how entire indigenous
cultures were wiped out by "good" Christian missionaries?___Lucifer.
. . . was the kind of question that would cause me to want to engage
in a sincere serious intellectual exchange with you --- or did you
pretty much know that the tone of your question would very likely
be irritating and interpreted as hostility?

(3) You have been here about 6 years and have 6,885 posts to date.
If this thread is typical of the threads in this section of the forum, how
have you survived emotionally and intellectually posting 6,885 posts
like or similar to the one you just posted to me?

(4) If you read this thread you will discover that there are at least two (2)
people in this thread that believe that the Christian doctrine of God's
Omnipotence means that He can make 2 + 2 = 7 and can make
square circles. They were dead serious. Do you find that to be
fascinating?

(5) Are you going to post back and seriously tell me that you believe
Hitler was a Christian?

(6) Can you link me to a thread in this section of the forum where there
was an honest sincere serious attempt between Christians and atheists
to engage in a sincere charitable discussion free from insults and snide
snippy remarks?

 

Except we have a written first hand account of what He has done.

 

Sorry you are making that up, another one who bears false witness!

 

I'm fine with that.. but no one here is doing that

 

Hello Robert,
If you got a minute, take a look at my post just above written to Lucifer
and give me your thoughts on those questions I asked Lucifer. And
any other thoughts you have on what goes on in this particular department
of the forum. You have 11, 908 posts here, so you must know a lot about
how it is here.

For example I asked Lucifer this question:

(6) Can you link me to a thread in this section of the forum where there
was an honest sincere serious attempt between Christians and atheists
to engage in a sincere charitable discussion free from insults and snide
snippy remarks?

 

The fool says in his heart there is no God.

Sorry i think predicting the future is evidence.

 

Sorry not making it up.