Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

Fine then provide evidence of this first hand account please, or carry on bearing false witness.

 

I cannot because the "atheists" aka self worshipers come here for honest debate.

 

The book of Romans, written by Paul who had a first hand encounter with God.

1 example.

 

Did you make a typo? Did you mean to write they "come here for honest debate"?

 

No that is a claim from a man called Paul it is not evidence, what evidence do you have to back up his claim?

 

No i meant that they DO NOT come here for honest debate.

In fact we cannot have a debate because they insist on have a debate that is logical ( by human standards) and based soley on physical evidence and completely discount the spiritual.
There is no common ground for a debate to even start.
I believe the bible is the inerrant word of God. What the bibe says defines reality. At any point any person disagrees with the bible , they are wrong.
I am always going to debate from that point of view.

 

Thats all science is, the claims of a man..

Prove we put a man on the moon.

Prove you exist. All i have is your word for it.

 

That is not debate it is you preaching.

 

Ok so you were bearing false witness when you said you had a first hand account of god. Thank you.

 

See, they just want to control the debate..

They are utterly clueless to the spiritial aspects, therefore they discount them entirely.

 

Paul wrote about his first hand encounters with God, as Did Peter.

Their account is every bit as valid as yours.

 

You are the one attempting to control the debate when you state that " At any point any person disagrees with the bible , they are wrong."

 

So it is just the claims of man, glad we agree.

 

I am not atrempting to control it. I was explaining why an honest debate cannot take place and that i wasn't going to let you control the debate by ignoring the most important aspect of it, the spiritual.

 

Nope.... :All scripture is God breathed"

The bible is God's testimony about Himself given through men.

 

Did you state, " At any point any person disagrees with the bible , they are wrong." if so you are attempting to control the debate, you have made the decision they are wrong regardless of what argument they use.

 

You're asking me to compare apples to oranges, all the while missing the very fact that secular inspired conflicts also employed religious people to the same ends and vice a versa.

I was being polite. Where was I not?

It was a straightforward question based your tone in this thread.

Sounds like you may be bringing other baggage into this conversation which I am not aware of. What word in my question triggered this response? Or do you just flat out dismiss the role of Christian missionaries in how they have shaped our world?

If I did, I would have commented on it. Why do you find it "fascinating"?

Why would you suggest that? I haven't mentioned Hitler, only you thus far.

Which begs the question, what "insults and snide snippy remarks" are you referring to?

If the above two lines offended you, then maybe you're not the one who wants "an honest sincere serious attempt between Christians and atheists to engage in a sincere charitable discussion"?

 

That is a claim made by two men, Paul and Peter and whatever my claim is then it is just as valid by your own words!

 

some Christians say their God created everything and everything that happens is part of his plan, I agree with the op.. this is false

this is the God the op is describing


http://www.tfd.com/deists

de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

 

what about churchill, eisenhower andbomber harris, rossevelt?

 

design maybe, you extinguished the life of something every time you stuff your face.

 

I'm just dealing with reality as it actually is.

Fact is there isca ton of evidence that God exists, you have rejected that evidence.

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

You've seen the evidence that God exists, you know you've seen it and you know you have rejected it. Question is, why?

That's a much more interesting question to ponder..
Usually it's because people want things they know God had forbidden.

 

Yeah I thought you meant that. I just wanted clarification to be certain.

I got it. Thanks.

I got that too. I hear you.
You have 11,913 posts here! That's amazing!

I understand.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

More like proclaim than debate, isn't it?
Robert, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

 

And so it starts, christians telling others what they have seen and what they know, it is hilarious!
Start with this evidence you say I have seen and know, please it will be interesting!

 

possibly billions when you take an antibiotic

evolution not only happens in the physical, but spiritual as well

what will they be in their next life, oh how we ponder, what we can not know