Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

How were they supposed to know what was going to happen? And yes they have a duty of care and would have been held culpable if he had succeeded in harming himself whilst under arrest.

 

I mean the topic. You have not clearly made an argument or took a position. I don;t know if we agree or not. Take a breath and try again.

 

Why would he be indifferent, or why would he be living in the moment?
The answer is in what manifested.

 

1. What victim? Violent criminal they've detained. All they wanted to do was peacefully arrest him, his own fault for resisting. And apart from your prejudice where is the racism here?

2. What video did you watch?

3. No they don't. Statistics prove that black men commit more violent crime that any other group.

4. When the African American community begins to look in on itself and tackle the violence of its' culture then the problem will be over.

 

What actions contributed to his death other than the initial struggle where nothing illegal that we know of occurred? If he was already in a cardiac condition before he went to the ground that raises reasonable doubt. Would he have died otherwise had they not been holding him on the ground in the manner in which they did? There was no further struggle on the ground, they were just mistreating him and abusing him for which they should be prosecuted. I think the defense will key on that, that while it was abusive and mistreatment it did not CAUSE his death. And even watch the timeline and videos it will be hard to say they didn't call the EMT's soon enough. Negligent homicide?

 

Ah.. them ME findings? They found that the restriction and underlying health issues did it.
Took 8 minutes of "restricting" while pleading for help to get this black man lynched with underlying health issues.
Says a lot how small his underlying health issues since the cops needed to put in such an effort.

Takes a racist thug with a badge to be like that. A cop being a man of his time,.. finding it normal to go on like that and lynch a black man.
Takes other white Americans of their time to defend that cop and his lynching ways.

 

There are black cops who are prejudiced against Whites; there are white cops who prejudiced against Blacks; there are many cops who are a mixture of both good and bad depending upon the pragmatic needs of the moment. Then there are the few who believe in the law, fight for the law, and enforce the law objectively, within reason. It's they who make the world safe for the civilized soul.

 

Oh, you plead innocent. Ok. You're right. Riots are bad. You work for Putin or Xi Jinping?

 

What on earth are you talking about?
I am not pleading anything, I am not on trial or accused of anything.
Are there many fantasists like you in America?

 

Camouflage as a rhetorical device, not even clever. Wherever you are at, are they all as snidely as you?

 

You do realise you're more or less starting a fight in an empty room?
I have camouflaged nothing, I am not in disguise, and wherever I am at, people are individuals.

 

Bye.

 

Quote it saying restrictions caused it. It says no evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation. He was having shortness of breath BEFORE he was on the ground.

Why are you ignoring the information from the ME and making up what it actually says?

It is you and the mob that wants to engage in a lynching.

 

Thank goodness for that.
No more being stalked.

 

Do we know if a knee on the neck is an approved method of restraining a perp yet?

He did have difficulty getting out of his car and fell face first to the ground. There was something wrong from the git go. I don't think we have a full ME report for at least 2 weeks.

Lot of talk of the other 3 cops. Were they in common cause with the knee cop or individually doing their job? They did not stop the knee cop but current law likely doesn't require them to do so. Most people do not know or understand that you can call the cops for help, genuinely need it and they have every legal right to say no. You are on your own. (If they were so obliged, every person that ever suffers from a criminal act would have a case against the cops: we'd go bankrupt as a people.)

 

Trying to equate his initial claims of difficulty breathing with a cardiac even occurring is ridiculous. It's a symptom. Maybe you should look up the definition for that.

 

Those with cardiac conditions survive episodes like this all the time, though it's easy to see that it's probably slightly less likely to be survived if a 220 pound officer keeps you face down on the pavement, pinned by kneeling on your neck, showing absolutely no human emotion as you plead to be able to breathe, and finally call out for your dead mother, as you die.

A 1% less chance without this remorseless dmb mthfr kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes? You bet.

We must have watched different videos, I see Floyd repeatedly trying to ease the restriction on his neck, caused by officer Dmbfucks shin, by repeatedly trying to raise his shoulder, but with the concentrated pressure applied to his neck, pinning him to concrete, he can't and finally dies.

It doesn't have to for manslaughter, it only has to contribute.

The complaint does not tell us when or why they called for emergency medical transport.

 

Sure.

 

So a person allegedly passes a fake $20, and that's good enough reason for on-site death sentence? LOL!!! We don't even know if it WAS fake, and if it was, we don't even know if the suspect KNEW it was fake.

But, yeah, death sentence, totally legit.

 

The premise of you statement is false. The fact remains had he not tried to pass the fake bill according to the complaint there would have been no police encounter. Had he not fought with them and submitted to the arrest he would be alive, charged with a crime probably but alive. Had he not had coronary artery disease and hypertension he would probably be alive since it was not strangulation or asphyxiation.

It's time for everyone to start acknowledging the evidence at hand and dealing with it.

 

Again.

1. We do not know the bill was fake. Nobody has proven that. It is one convenience store owner's word.
2. If it was fake, we have zero evidence that George knew it was fake.
3. We have no conclusive proof that he resisted, yet. None.

Nothing we know warrants an on-the-spot death sentence.

The look in that cop's eyes was akin to Arya Stark's eyes while she was slitting Walder Frey's throat. Cold. Calculated. Without any compassion whatsoever.

 

And they die all the time.

Why? There was no strangulation, there was no asphyxiation.

He's breathing and talking. His shortness of breath began before then. It wasn't that he wasn't able to get air to move in and out of his lungs it was his heart was not pumping properly and his blood could not be oxygenated. Keeping him on the ground was not illegal or against policy. The position of the knee was against policy and from what we know from the ME report that did not kill him. No strangulation and no asphyxiation. You can't just ignore that and that raises beyond a reasonable doubt doubts.

How do you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Negligent homicide but what care could they have given him that would have saved his life? Remember on the Gardner case they rolled him on his side and the officers were criticized saying that was the wrong thing to do and contributed to his death.

The timeline of the 911 call does. I posted the link the the NYT tiimeline.

They go for murder they may get off, if they did not cause Floyd's death but the cardiac event did they should. Charged with other crimes but murder when you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

 

The videos before the was on the ground show it.
I have no reason to doubt the store owners who reported it know how to identify a fake bill and have seen no reports from the prosecutors saying it was not fake. But that is moot, to offeres were called to deal with a fake bill they didn't pick Floyd out at random and attack him.

Nothing we know shows they purposely killed him.

The guy is a total arse and should serve time in jail for the abuse and mistreatment. But we only convict people for murder when they are actually responsible beyond a reasonable doubt for a persons death. The ME report brings that entirely into question.

 

Let's discuss AFTER we have the ME report. Your wishful thinking is not the same as a final report from the qualified ME.

 

No, and you can't prove he died of cardiac arrest. The police body cams should tell.