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Legal Docs: St. Louis Prosecutor Tampered With Evidence In McCloskey Gun Case

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by ModCon, Jul 23, 2020.

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  1. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Firing pin was installed incorrectly.

    I took a guy's firing pin out of his rifle in Afghanistan. I assume you, the gun will not fire without it.
     
    HTownMarine, Jul 25, 2020
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    The prosecutor has acted under the color of law to violate the civil rights of the McCloskeys.
    Have we no federal grand juries?
     
    Ddyad, Jul 25, 2020
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A distinction without relevance.
    If you do not want to be addressed for tacky posting tactics, don’t do it. Simple!

    They were not threatened until weapons were introduced. Even the husband acknowledges this in one of his interviews.

    The law isn’t on my side? Is that why they have been charged?

    I assure you, I am not defensive about anything on this topic as it is halfway across the country and will not impact my life in the slightest. I do find it ironic how you became upset because I identified your poor debate tactics as personal attacks while you continue to make personal remarks against me.

    Don’t have anything to add to this illustrious line of reasoning.
     
    cd8ed, Jul 25, 2020
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  4. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OF course they would if they thought it would defend their property. Fleeing may have resulted in property damage, so they controlled their fear and created a deterrent. And their property remained unharmed. People can be scared but not ACT scared. There is a difference between being scared and being cowardly.
     
    Josh77, Jul 25, 2020
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    Their's was not the only house in the community. I haven't heard of any other damage, other than the gate. So I'm simply asking if, because two people came out with guns, the entire community was spared? Usually, gated communities have many houses - for an unruly mob to be deterred from ANY damage to ANY house because of these two is highly unlikely...
     
    Pants, Jul 25, 2020
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  6. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People overseas do irrational things all the time when they're scared.

    I doubt you'll find any MOH recipient who was never scared.
     
    HTownMarine, Jul 25, 2020
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    "highly unlikely"? I disagree, the reason the situation has deteriorated is that the government's responses to these riots has gotten weaker over time. A few posts ago, HtownMarine talked about his deployment to California to quell the 1992 riots and how thankfully it calmed down before he had to act.

    Today, even using water cannons is seen as an 'escalation'. And sure, it might be one but it would also be a deterrent. These people in Portland complaining about being taken into custody, or merely hit with a baton? What if we had a line of men and women of the force who were openly carrying their firearms. They hadn't been fired yet, just merely in the open.

    That would put some real serious skin in the game, and either the idiots continue to be idiots and escalate the situation into something tragic or they realize: ****, the government isn't playing about this. And they end up stopping their resistance.
     
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    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the thing, ennit? You've got - in the midst of people screaming "Defund the Police" an actual reason to start doing some defunding somewhere - this is really putting some people on the spot.

    Like I said - there's gonna be a lotta cases reviewed now. This couldn't have been the only time the prosecutor and crime lab tried skewing the evidence in their favor.
     
    Stuart Wolfe, Jul 25, 2020
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  9. LogicTrumpsLiberalism

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    It is irrelevant to the case. A mob of people were on private property during a protest that had already been violent and destructive. This couple had the right to carry and confront by state law. If they had started shooting, they still would not have broken the law. Fortunately for the protesters, they had no will to actually kill anyone, as they knew the gun was inoperable. There is no case against them and pushing one is nothing but a political stunt that will not go anywhere but serve to divide the people and a dumb threat against law abiding citizens.
     
    LogicTrumpsLiberalism, Jul 25, 2020
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    Please point out where I am pushing a case against them. I am simply wondering why other damage hadn't been done in the community.
     
    Pants, Jul 25, 2020
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    Brandishing is deliberately vague. If he had it slung, and touched it, it could still be considered brandishing. If she had hers in a holster and touched it, it could be considered brandishing. Whether it works or not is irrelevant.

    The failure of the police to show up, should get them off simply because of the brandishing of a mob.

    A mob should be considered brandishing too, and each and every single one of those pond scum should be charged equally, unless they had a permit to break the gate and enter in such a threatening manner.
     
    DivineComedy, Jul 25, 2020
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    We don't know. If it has, the news hasn't mentioned it. If it hadn't, well that's good.
     
    LogicTrumpsLiberalism, Jul 25, 2020
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    Not "someone," a mob of treasonous pond scum known to hit women with 2X4s, hit police in the head with 2X4s and bricks and ice bottles, loot, secede from the Union, pull people from the cars and beat them, and burn businesses...
     
    DivineComedy, Jul 25, 2020
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    yeah, but when an angry mob breaks into a private area and some homeowners have guns out at the ready, that changes the dynamics a lot
     
    FreshAir, Jul 25, 2020
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    Individuals in this group had done this? That’s terrifying!
    I can see why they ran outside to confront them with inoperable weapons then!
     
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    Absolutely, the group should definitely have been charged with destruction of property and trespassing. The couple definitely agitated the situation though and the woman needs to take a firearms safety course.

    They were apparently going to protest at the Mayor’s house — indicating they would have just walked past the homes, but everything that could have happened is conjecture.

    I am glad I live away from this mess, on both ends.
     
    cd8ed, Jul 25, 2020
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    That's the odd thing about this incident. These two are self-described BLM supporters. They should have joined IN the protest and scrawled graffiti all over their own home. It doesn't make sense.
     
    Stuart Wolfe, Jul 25, 2020
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    All mobs look alike, and their only purpose there was to threaten. It wasn't black college reunion and they didn't bring watermelon.
     
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    Welcome to 2020 — nothing makes sense!

    Have you seen the stock market? Goes up when it should go down, goes down when it should go up.
    I know several well seasoned traders that have given up and have just started doing options only.

    Strange year
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What?
     
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    The Russians must have put something in our water, or maybe it was the Canadians, yeah, them.
     
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    You don't like watermelon. Weird.
     
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  23. Bluesguy

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    They were threatening to do so and anyone having watched the news for the last few months would have a reasonable expectation they would.
     
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    They had a reasonable fear before they even picked go their weapons, it's why they did so.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why did they get their guns in the first place?
     
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