Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

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    Not theirs, yours. try again.
     
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    Still ignoring the questions? Still refusing to state what you are challenging as being false? That makes you totally irrelevant.
     
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    If you're unable to go back and read your OP the failure does not lie with me and if you're going to post outright lies and expect a reasoned discussion around them then the irrelevance rests solely on you.
     
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    I can not reply to your claim of false information until you tell me what you are claiming is false. The fact that you refuse to answer that question tells me that you really do not have anything to challenge. Your just trying to muddy the water.
     
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    Fact One: Paul Sperry the Right Wing writer of the bogus article that this entire post is based on claims fabricated nonsense and shows not a single source or shred of evidence for the vicious lies he wrote about Fiona Hill This writer works for2 far right wing blogs. One is World Net Daily and and the other is : , Investors Business Daily..

    Some info about WNT that Paul Sperry works for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

    'WorldNetDaily (WND) is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right[6] as well as politically conservative.[7] The website is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[15]"

    Fact Two:

    The idea that the Steele Dossier was the main document and the only document that initiated the Russian investigation is based on is a complete fabrication and bitter Trump propaganda. The right wing writer (Paul Sperry) of the Real Clear Politics article espoused pure horse crap knowing full that the Steele document was not the main document that the Russia investigation was based on

    The Following proves right wing Paul Sperry ( the writer of the article this post is based on) is a vicious liar

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/

    "Papadopoulos had contacts with Russian intermediaries during the campaign, according to the Justice Department, and later pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. This investigation was before the Steel document was release.

    The Democrats on the House intelligence committee agreed with that, saying in a memo released Feb. 24, 2018, that the FBI investigation started “more than seven weeks” before the FBI received Steele’s intelligence reporting in mid-September of that year.'


    All Fiona Hill really did is confirm a readout of Trumps conversation with Ukraine President Zelinsky and this readout was released by Trump himself. When Zelensky of Ukraine requested tank buster missileS from the U.S. Trump asked for a favor right then and there. Which included chasing down Biden’s son and looking into Joe Biden himself. At the time Joesef Biden was the front runner during the primaries.and Trumps biggest political threat.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

    ‘The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

    Once again Trump asking for Ukraine to look into Biden and his son as a favor before the Missile defense is delivered.

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    You "dirtied the water" that with the falsehoods in the first part of the OP.
     
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    Maybe this got noted later in the thread but the Steele Dossier wasn't the info used for the initial FISA warrants. It was used to get the FISA renewals.

    The original FISA apps evidence came from Carter Pages interactions with Russian agents that occurred before Trump was elected.
     
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    pfft... I lost all faith in MI6 when I found out they funded the murderous EFF ... what's a completely fake little dossier by comparison
     
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    Once again the right wingers are going after the questionable Steele Document and pretendin it is the only reason for the Mueller investigation. Pure B.S. This post is using a far right wing document called 'American Greatness" to prove its false info:
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    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/amer...ary Americans Are Unperturbed by Russia Mania.

    "Overall, we rate American Greatness Right biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of poor sources. (D. Van Zandt 1/17/2018) Updated (7/25/2018)"

    The over zealous Right Wing is pretending that the Steele Dossier was the only source of information for Trump campaign's connections to Russia.
    The Trump campaign had over 100 contacts with Russian agents or representatives and none of these findings had anything to do with the Steele Dossier.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...over-100-contacts-with-russians-before-taking

    The Hill

    Trump and associates had over 100 contacts with Russians before taking office.

    President Trump and at least 17 of his campaign officials and advisers had contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks or their intermediaries before his inauguration, according to an analysis published by The New York Times on Saturday.

    Then-candidate Trump had at least six contacts before the Republican National Convention in July 2016, according to the analysis. One contact included signing a letter of intent to develop Trump Tower in Moscow, the Times reported.

    Aras Agalarov, a Russian billionaire who hosted a Miss Universe pageant in Moscow with Trump, reached out to Trump several times before the Republican National Convention. Agalarov's son, Emin Agalarov, reportedly also contacted Trump on multiple occasions

    Aras Agalarov sent a letter to Trump shortly after the primaries began expressing “great interest” in his campaign, the Times noted.

    Trump, according to the analysis, began denying his interactions with Russian nationals shortly after accepting the Republican presidential nomination.

    The Times analysis was conducted by compiling the newspaper’s reporting, documents submitted to Congress and court records related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia's election interference and potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

    At least 10 other associates were told about the interactions but did not have any themselves, the newspaper noted.

    The president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., had at least 17 contacts with Russians and a Russian intermediary, including arranging the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting.

    Trump Jr.'s contacts also included exchanging private Twitter messages with WikiLeaks, the organization that published troves of stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign that U.S. intelligence officials later said were pilfered by Russian agents.Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser, had at least six contacts, according to the Times. Those

    contacts included meeting with a Russian ambassador during Trump's transition and attending the Trump Tower meeting.

    Roger Stone, the longtime GOP operative who worked as an informal adviser on the campaign, appears to have had the most contacts, according to the Times.

    Stone had at least 18 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks before Trump took office, the Times noted.

    He was arrested by the FBI on Friday after being indicted on seven counts in connection with Mueller's investigation: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering.

    The indictment states that a senior Trump campaign officials was "directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign," an apparent reference to WikiLeaks.

    "Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1," the document reads.

    He was released on Friday on a $250,000 signature bond and vowed not to testify against Trump.

    Stone is the sixth associate of Trump to be charged in Mueller’s expansive probe.

    Others include Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, adviser George Papadopoulos, ex-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

    According to the Times, Cohen is reported to have had at least 17 contacts, including being significantly involved in the plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and meeting with a Russian oligarch on another matter.

    Papadopoulos, the analysis found, had at least 12 contacts, while Manafort and Flynn are reported to have had six and five contacts, respectively.

    The Times cited Papadopoulos's multiple contacts with Russian operatives who sought to arrange meetings with Trump or his campaign and Russian President Vladimir Putin or Putin's staff.

    Manafort, who also reportedly attended the Trump Tower meeting, had multiple contacts with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate connected to Russian intelligence, during his tenure on the Trump campaign.

    Following Trump's election and in the lead-up to his inauguration, Flynn had a number of conversations with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, the Times noted.




     
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    Fake News.

    Meet the Steele Dossier's 'Primary Subsource': Fabulist Russian From Democrat Think Tank Whose Boozy Past the FBI Ignored.

    The source is the newly declassified FBI summary of the FBI-Danchenko meeting. This
    https://www.realclearinvestigations..._whose_boozy_past_the_fbi_ignored_124601.html
    It's based on the sworn testimony of Andrew McCabe who testified that without the Crooked Hillary Dossier that there would have been no FISA warrants. We had already inferred this, as there is absolutely no other evidence that Carter Page was an asset for the Russians, in fact, Carter Page was an asset for the CIA, assisting them in acquiring intelligence on the Russians, which the CIA repeatedly informed the FBI of. One such notice was then forged by the FBI to read "not" a CIA asset than then submitted along with one of the FISA renewals! That you to continue defend this obvious ruse in order to justify illegal spying on Trump, the Campaign, Transition and Administration shows that you are really chugging the koolaid.
    Oh, she did just a bit more than that.
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    Strobe Talbott of Brookings with Crooked Hillary: He connected with Christopher Steele and passed along a copy of his anti-Trump dossier to Fiona Hill.​

    [​IMG]
    Fiona Hill: She worked at the Brookings Institution with dossier "Primary Subsource" Igor “Iggy” Danchenko, and testified against President Trump last year during impeachment hearings.
     
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    B.S. Lets see the document. We have no way to know how right wing Sperry is paraphrasing from the document. Also the Steele doc had very little to do with most of the findings in the Russia investigation but you keep hammering away at this. None of the facts below came from the Steele Doc but you want to pretend they did. This list comes from Intelligence investigations

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...over-100-contacts-with-russians-before-taking

    The Hill

    Trump and associates had over 100 contacts with Russians before taking office.

    President Trump and at least 17 of his campaign officials and advisers had contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks or their intermediaries before his inauguration, according to an analysis published by The New York Times on Saturday.

    Then-candidate Trump had at least six contacts before the Republican National Convention in July 2016, according to the analysis. One contact included signing a letter of intent to develop Trump Tower in Moscow, the Times reported.

    Aras Agalarov, a Russian billionaire who hosted a Miss Universe pageant in Moscow with Trump, reached out to Trump several times before the Republican National Convention. Agalarov's son, Emin Agalarov, reportedly also contacted Trump on multiple occasions

    Aras Agalarov sent a letter to Trump shortly after the primaries began expressing “great interest” in his campaign, the Times noted.

    Trump, according to the analysis, began denying his interactions with Russian nationals shortly after accepting the Republican presidential nomination.

    The Times analysis was conducted by compiling the newspaper’s reporting, documents submitted to Congress and court records related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia's election interference and potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

    At least 10 other associates were told about the interactions but did not have any themselves, the newspaper noted.

    The president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., had at least 17 contacts with Russians and a Russian intermediary, including arranging the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting.

    Trump Jr.'s contacts also included exchanging private Twitter messages with WikiLeaks, the organization that published troves of stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign that U.S. intelligence officials later said were pilfered by Russian agents.Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser, had at least six contacts, according to the Times. Those

    contacts included meeting with a Russian ambassador during Trump's transition and attending the Trump Tower meeting.

    Roger Stone, the longtime GOP operative who worked as an informal adviser on the campaign, appears to have had the most contacts, according to the Times.

    Stone had at least 18 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks before Trump took office, the Times noted.

    He was arrested by the FBI on Friday after being indicted on seven counts in connection with Mueller's investigation: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering.

    The indictment states that a senior Trump campaign officials was "directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign," an apparent reference to WikiLeaks.

    "Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1," the document reads.

    He was released on Friday on a $250,000 signature bond and vowed not to testify against Trump.

    Stone is the sixth associate of Trump to be charged in Mueller’s expansive probe.

    Others include Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, adviser George Papadopoulos, ex-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

    According to the Times, Cohen is reported to have had at least 17 contacts, including being significantly involved in the plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and meeting with a Russian oligarch on another matter.

    Papadopoulos, the analysis found, had at least 12 contacts, while Manafort and Flynn are reported to have had six and five contacts, respectively.

    The Times cited Papadopoulos's multiple contacts with Russian operatives who sought to arrange meetings with Trump or his campaign and Russian President Vladimir Putin or Putin's staff.

    Manafort, who also reportedly attended the Trump Tower meeting, had multiple contacts with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate connected to Russian intelligence, during his tenure on the Trump campaign.

    Following Trump's election and in the lead-up to his inauguration, Flynn had a number of conversations with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, the Times noted.



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    So what this fails prove to anything since the Steele Dossier represented .5% of the evidence. Most evidence in the Russia investigation came from investigations from Intelligence
    agencies separate from the Dossier.
     
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    So, you believe that Lindsey Graham did not release these declassified documents? What rock have you been hiding under? Oh that's right, you only know what the MSM feeds you. Your clueless so we are done.
     
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    According to the DOJIG report on the FISA warrants shows that the Steel dossier was used by the FBI to obtain the FISA Warrants. Another significant factor was that a DOJ attorney altered a document that stated that Carter Page was working for the CIA, and his contacts with Russia were in that capacity. The FBI used the Steel dossier which was illegal because Steel was already working as an informant of the FBI. The FISA Law states that the material for the Warrant application must come from an independent source. Steel was not independent. The renewal of the warrant has to come from a different source then the original application. Yet the FBI let Steel meet with a Yahoo News reporter, who wrote an article based on the information that Steel provided him. Therefore Steel was the source for the original warrant and the first renewal. After that renewal, the FBI finally got around to interview the primary source of the Steel dossier. From that point on, they knew that the dossier was fake, but still used it to obtain two more renewals.

    This article covers some of what I am talking about.
    https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/2...report-on-fbi-misuse-of-confidential-sources/
     
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    Fake News.

    A salacious Clinton-campaign product was the driving force behind the Trump–Russia investigation.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/
    Where ever did they get this idea?
    Weird that you seem to be the only person in the country that isn't fully aware that this is a pack of lies and that the FBI even submitted forged documents to conceal from the FISA court that Carter Page was source FOR the CIA.
     
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    At this point we know the Steele Dossier was a pack of lies and russian disinformation.

    The only real question is who all at the obama DOJ knew it and still used it to lie to the Court
     
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    Not the first sentence of YOUR op.

    "The FBI knew the Steel Dossier was fake. Their own intel notes proves this. Yet, they used it as the basis for their Illegally obtained FISA Warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign.

    Because you seem t have trouble deciphering...
     
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    Christopher Steele Funneled $5000 Per Month to His Primary Subsource, Noted Gutter-Drunk Igor Danschenko, Through a Russian-Run DC Contractor as a "Ghost Employee".
    https://t.co/6UgN5lFFJO?amp=1

    It was all, always, all lies.
    We were right, the whole time.
    Trump was right, the whole time.
    The Fake News was pushing lies, the whole time
     
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    ~ I believe they all knew about it. Don't be surprised to find some Republicans were also purvey to what was going on. I wonder who ... ❔{ John McCain / Mitt Romney }
     
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    : You start out you post by calling mine fake news. But in your propaganda B.S. post you failed to prove that all these arrests and indictments came directly from the Steele Dossier. Your propaganda B.S. response lead you to leave out 90% of my post before responding to it. . No honesty on your part. So lets look at the points in my post you ran away from and failed to respond to:

    From my post 86" Please show us the FBI document the right wing writer Sperry is referring to which is the heart of your post. We have no way to know how right wing Sperry is paraphrasing from the document. Also the Steele doc had very little to do with most of the findings in the Russia investigation but you keep hammering away at this. None of the facts below came from the Steele Doc but you want to pretend they did. This list comes from Intelligence investigations"

    We both know there is no way the Steele Document had much to do with all these charges and arrests in the list below.. Most of these came from separate findings by Intelligence Agencies. Trump the coward has failed to prove his fake news charges with evidence. which is what your doing.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...over-100-contacts-with-russians-before-taking


    The Hill

    Trump and associates had over 100 contacts with Russians before taking office.


    " President Trump and at least 17 of his campaign officials and advisers had contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks or their intermediaries before his inauguration, according to an analysis published by The New York Times on Saturday.


    Then-candidate Trump had at least six contacts before the Republican National Convention in July 2016, according to the analysis. One contact included signing a letter of intent to develop Trump Tower in Moscow, the Times reported.


    Aras Agalarov, a Russian billionaire who hosted a Miss Universe pageant in Moscow with Trump, reached out to Trump several times before the Republican National Convention. Agalarov's son, Emin Agalarov, reportedly also contacted Trump on multiple occasions


    Aras Agalarov sent a letter to Trump shortly after the primaries began expressing “great interest” in his campaign, the Times noted.


    Trump, according to the analysis, began denying his interactions with Russian nationals shortly after accepting the Republican presidential nomination.


    The Times analysis was conducted by compiling the newspaper’s reporting, documents submitted to Congress and court records related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia's election interference and potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.


    At least 10 other associates were told about the interactions but did not have any themselves, the newspaper noted.


    The president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., had at least 17 contacts with Russians and a Russian intermediary, including arranging the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting.


    Trump Jr.'s contacts also included exchanging private Twitter messages with WikiLeaks, the organization that published troves of stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign that U.S. intelligence officials later said were pilfered by Russian agents.Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser, had at least six contacts, according to the Times. Those


    contacts included meeting with a Russian ambassador during Trump's transition and attending the Trump Tower meeting.


    Roger Stone, the longtime GOP operative who worked as an informal adviser on the campaign, appears to have had the most contacts, according to the Times.


    Stone had at least 18 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks before Trump took office, the Times noted.


    He was arrested by the FBI on Friday after being indicted on seven counts in connection with Mueller's investigation: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering.


    The indictment states that a senior Trump campaign officials was "directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign," an apparent reference to WikiLeaks.


    "Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1," the document reads.


    He was released on Friday on a $250,000 signature bond and vowed not to testify against Trump.


    Stone is the sixth associate of Trump to be charged in Mueller’s expansive probe.


    Others include Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, adviser George Papadopoulos, ex-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former national security adviser Michael Flynn.


    According to the Times, Cohen is reported to have had at least 17 contacts, including being significantly involved in the plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and meeting with a Russian oligarch on another matter.


    Papadopoulos, the analysis found, had at least 12 contacts, while Manafort and Flynn are reported to have had six and five contacts, respectively.


    The Times cited Papadopoulos's multiple contacts with Russian operatives who sought to arrange meetings with Trump or his campaign and Russian President Vladimir Putin or Putin's staff.


    Manafort, who also reportedly attended the Trump Tower meeting, had multiple contacts with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate connected to Russian intelligence, during his tenure on the Trump campaign.


    Following Trump's election and in the lead-up to his inauguration, Flynn had a number of conversations with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, the Times noted."

    Once again the right wingers are going after the questionable Steele Document and pretending it is the only reason for the Mueller investigation. Pure B.S.
     
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    New York Times...........:roflol:
     
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    It is Fake News.
    Well, it's Crooked Hillary's propaganda illegally laundered into a FISA warrant as pretext by the Spying Biden/Obama Administration so they could illegally spy of domestic opponents.
    It was always just garbage, like we always said.
    It was always just pack of lies, like Trump always said.
    Every time the Lying Fake News Media and you folks said it was trustworthy intelligence product, you were wrong. It's salacious 3rd and 4th hand bar room gossip.
    You weave back and forth btw maintaining that it was verified and trustworthy and that it was irrelevant.
     
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    The whole country knows that it's fake news.

    The Carter Page FISA-warrant papers. The pretext on which the FBI and Justice Department obtained a national-security eavesdropping warrant — alleged that Page was an agent of the Kremlin and that the Trump campaign was complicit in Russia’s hacking conspiracy.

    That was always a pack of Fake News Lies. Those that claimed otherwise were wrong. The Lying Fake News Propaganda that pushed it, was either making up sources, or sourcing to liars. Trump's denials were always true, facts which we informed you of, the entire time. We were always right, you folks were always wrong, about everything.

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    Page has never been charged with any crime, much less with espionage.

    And here is the key point you keep trying to bluster past, and you cannot.

    In order to get a FISA warrant on an American citizen, the FBI is required to show that the citizen’s activities on behalf of a foreign power violate federal criminal law. You keep trying to slide past that like the fat kid that is too big for the tube slide.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/carter-page-fisa-redactions-uncovering/

    Page was never arrested, or ever charged, because this was all false pretext so that Crooked Hillary and Corrupt Obama could illegally spy on Trump, confident that she would win the election and no one would ever be the wiser of their corrupt self dealing with the the authority WE GRANT to them, which they grossly misused against The American People. As Jonathon Turley is fond of saying, "this is way bigger than Watergate".

    You have been wrong the whole time. No amount of bluster and rage will sell this.
    Trump was right the whole time.
    The Fake News was wrong the whole time.
    We were right, the entire time.

    Page cooperated in the FBI and DOJ’s prosecution of the Russian operatives, and made himself available whenever the FBI wanted to interview him. Page was an asset for the CIA, assisting them in gathering intelligence from Russian assets. The CIA repeatedly informed the FBI of this, and the FBI forged one of the emails to change: "Carter Page is a CIA asset" to "Carter Page is NOT a CIA asset" and added the forged email to the FISA Court submission.

    There never was a case against Page, this was all a pretext so that Obama/Biden/Hillary could spy on Trump, in an attempt to fix the election, and then failing that, to drive him from office.

    You were always wrong.
    We were always right.
    Trump's was always right,
    The Fake News and the Deep State was always wrong.
     
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    Of course. It's is fake news. It's all fallen apart. Shambles, gigs up. Everyone knows.

    The Steele dossier is a compendium of foreign-supplied, rank-hearsay opposition research sponsored by the Clinton campaign. It was never corroborated by the FBI, even though the guidelines forbid the bureau from presenting unverified information to the FISA court. Several of its key allegations of the Dossier have been convincingly refuted. It has been the subject of libel lawsuits and even Steele, a rabid anti-Trump partisan refused to claim his allegations are true, confirming them as “unverified.”

    Congressional investigators determined that the Steele-dossier allegations were central to the FISA-warrant applications.
    The ONLY place where it was claimed that there was verified proof, that Carter Page was acting on behalf of a foreign power in violation of federal criminal law, which is what is required in order to get a FISA warrant on a US Citizen, is in the Dossier, and it was a pack of lies. The FBI submitted each application as VERIFIED, when it was nothing of the sort and even included a forged document concealing that Carter Page was actually a CIA asset.

    We were always right.
    You were always wrong.
    Trump was always right.
    The Fake News that you follow to this moment, was always pushing a pack of lies.
     
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    Yes, you have been badly taken in. Everyone else knows. It's odd that you still don't realize how badly you have been conned. "Curious!"

    A government submission to the FISA court includes a lengthy certification by a top-ranking national-security official (the FBI’s director or deputy director), a short approval declaration by the Justice Department (the deputy attorney general), and the proposed warrant itself to be signed by the judge.

    The first Page submission was just 83 pages — what was the probable cause?
    The Carter Page claim rests on the the Steele dossier. The Dossier makes up the bulk of the probable-cause showing, pages 15–27.
    Page denies knowing, let alone meeting, these men; there is no corroboration of Steele’s claim in evidence, anywhere.

    There is zero evidence that Carter Page ever committed any crimes at all, yet, 4 FISA warrants were issued so that Hillary/Obama/Biden and the Deep State could first spy on the Trump Campaign and then try to drive him from office. The FBI, at the time of the first warrant was confident that their sloppy violative work would never see the light of day, so confident were they that Crooked Hillary was on her way to a landslide victory... Ooops!

    And with the spying, and the 3 renewals against Carter Page, one would expect, the three warrant-renewal applications grow progressively in probable cause as they incorporate and build on the first surveillance, but, no such thing occurs. They never had evidence of any crimes by Carter Page, and after 3 more renewals, they STILL have no evidence of wrong doing by Carter Page, who has to be one of the most thoroughly investigated Americans in history. Page has never been charged with a “collusion” offense, no one has. He has been very public in both denying sinister dealings with Russia and demanding an accounting from the FBI, if they ever had anything, we'd know about it. They never did. This has all been, and always was, a pack of lies used as a pretext by Biden/Obama/Hillary to spy on the Trump campaign.

    We were always right.
    You were always wrong.
    The Fake News was always lies.
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    Of course. Hopefully you have learned your lesson about believing unnamed sources pushing lies via the Fake News Media. I can hardly think of anything more embarrassing and humiliating than you folks being taken in by all those lies. And we warned you the whole time!
    It's the prosecution that has the burden of proof, not the accused. Are you completely ignorant of the presumption of innocence? A FISA warrant required verified proof of probable cause, they never had any. They don't have any. It was all a pack of lies.

    You were always wrong.
    We were always right.
    Trump's denials were always true.
    Rachel Madcow was always wrong.
    The Fake News Liars were either making up their sources, or parroting lies.
    Are you the only one in America still in the dark about this?
    The scam is up,
    You folks are exposed.
    You never had anything.
    Schiff was always a liar.
     

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