Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

the mask gives to its' wearers a feeling of security and to some, moral superiority. Washing your hands is the best precaution but mask aficionados just go boldly along as they have a force field provided by the mask. Think pre-covid; would you walk near someone who was blowing their nose and coughing? Of course you wouldn't. These mask mandates are the govt stating that we have no common sense. And, you need to get a big virus load to become infected, and walking around will not do that.

Do your local stores accept cash? You will see masking up, shields in front of the cashier but the pin pad for debit cards are still in use as is cash. Why must we till sign or enter a pin? Why can't we just insert card and require no other action? Why must we touch germs of others during this covid panic? Why don't we care about cashiers everywhere and stop using cash?

covid can live up to 28 days on some surfaces and thus, cash can be a super-carrier. No mask will protect you from that.

 

People did stop social distancing as much after the mask mandate. I was in a store a little over a month ago and was 6 ft behind a guy who did not have a mask on. Then he sneezed without covering his mouth. I took 2 steps backward and almost stepped on the toes of some lady who was standing right behind me...no social distance. Yes, people automatically distance from people coughing and sneezing, and yes, a mask is an "impenetrable shield" in a lot of people's minds. Masks probably spread more infection by changing other behaviors for the worse.

On stores and cash/touchpads, I see the same employees at the super market and convenience stores who have worked the entire year without getting sick. There haven't been very many reports of employee illnesses. A few, but not many. They have no-touch hand sanitizer dispensers at the entrance/exit, so I use that on my way in and out. I figure those store employees who touch every product to scan at the register and touch everyone's cash must be at about 100% herd immunity.

We know the spread is mainly healthcare workers, nursing homes, prisons, and other places where people are confined indoors together for more than 15 minutes and can't get away.

Anyway, bad case of Covid-fatigue here. But my job is considered "essential" and my governor has promised "No more lockdowns for Texas," so the mask mandate is just like a really long masquerade party until we get vaccines next month.

 

The mass hysteria is amusing in a perverse way. The lip service shown in wiping down the podium reminds me of Obama's recent statements that he didn't really enjoy killing innocent people by drone, he just didn't want to be called "soft on terrorism". The human species is a crazy one, for sure. Today's bureaucrats don't want to be called "soft on covid".

Public policy founded upon superstition and peer pressure is what we have.

 

QUOTE]Sure it helps if someone coughs or sneezes[/QUOTE]

The dynamics of infection spread like highly transmission for groups is quite different than the less dynamic spread from infections like AIDS, which requires much more difficult to transmit.

A cough or sneeze can start single infection that can provide dozens of spread from that event.

Ignoring other infection sources, the transmission of the bodily fluids from mouth and nose are a potent source of infection. Besides sneezes and coughs that can project infectious fluids considerable distance, even speaking, laughing, etc can transfer too, all of which are much more potent than any kind of single virus.

Just saying "excuse me" and "sorry" as moving around a crowd contain sibilants that often transmit tiny, almost invisible specks of nose and mouth sounds that, even tiny, can contain millions of live virus, a good source of warm activities!

Masks are very helpful in protecting others and our selves. And someone touching their OWN mask is not necessarily the issue with reducing physical contact transfer (that is more of an issue for healthcare activities).


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I've read all that, I've seen it on the news 100 times, I get it, I've seen the laser effects in a laboratory & blue light with charts and graphs, I've seen mannequins on airplanes pretending to breathe, its all been covered in detail, to a ridiculous extent, I get it. I play along and do my part. Whether it helps 2%, 5%, 30%, whatever the value they assign to it, that's just fine. But at the end of the day every single trip I make outside the home, and every trip my wife makes is exposing us and exposing others, and that's a risk we all take when we walk outside the front door.

I've accepted the risk and its a different level of acceptance for everyone.

 

Lack of rebuttal noted, your simple dismissals and diversions highly lacking.

 

Oh Geez how lame can you get. OK then don't ever try and cite the NYT, the WaPO, the LAT, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC and the rest of the MSM or you will be called on it.

BTW The Federalist didn't do the study, learn the difference.

 

And I noted the absurdity of Biden and all his ranting and raving about mask walks out after his COVID conference takes of his mask which he then massages and virtually caresses the outside with his fingers while folding it, puts it down and then immediately rubs his nose. There goes any benefit at all he got from a mask.

Washing your hands or using sanitizer is probably the most effective thing you can do and I even wipe my nose with it like when I get back in the car from the store and sanitize my hands. I also use one of the door opener touch pad things on my keyring taking the extra step in how I handle it so as not to touch the tip or the door grab part and clean it too. I RARELY us cash at all.

 

I've always been big on hand washing. It's amazing it took the China flu to get some of my nasty fellow Americans to finally wash their hands..... (And I don't mean you!) It's equally amazing how many people will dutifully wear their masks, but use the restroom without washing their hands. I could take it or leave it as far as masks, but I always wash my hands. That's elementary hygiene for God's sake.

 

Yep, I hit the sanitizer station when I enter a store, wipe down any cart even if they have someone doing and then hit it the station on the way out and have sanitizer in my car if they don't have it.

 

Start what, precisely? Producing evidence of what we both know is true?

Trump lost. Your political statement is null. It is time to join the rest of the world and do what the experts are telling you rather than what a failed presidential candidate told you.

 

Why would I rebut what you already know is false?

 

Wear a mask. It is the single most effective defense we have against disease transmission. But EVERYONE has to do it. If someone near you isn't wearing a mask, they are putting YOUR life in danger. If you aren't wearing a mask, you are putting those around you in danger.

That is why doctors, nurses, and infectious patients have worn masks for over a century.

And clearly everyone can wash their hands.

 

So you can't produce a study with strong scientific evidence?
How did I know?

Crowd followers are so cute

 

It helps to skip this right-wing trash blog's FALSE conclusion and go right to the source where they state multiple times that they found masks do help reduce the spread. This sort of fake news bullshit is why I'm now pro-censorship. These dangerous lies are getting people killed.

 

This is the problem: Trump and his band of psychopaths have been doing the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater... or perhaps more accurately, they are yelling at everyone to stay in their seats while the theater is burning down.

By any number of measures this is a crime. The phrase above is a paraphrasing of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919. This has long been a crime. But we don't have laws to cover this situation. It is a new spin on an old problem.

It is argued by legal experts now that trump is or may be guilty of homicide. By any logical measure, he is the greatest mass murderer in US history.

 

late edits above

 

The paraphrasing differs from Holmes's original wording in that it typically does not include the word falsely, while also adding the word "crowded" to describe the theatre.[2] The original wording used in Holmes's opinion ("falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic") highlights that speech that is dangerous and false is not protected, as opposed to speech that is dangerous but also true.

 

Such a great description and to make it complete the moviegoers are effectively instructed to take a piece of the burning wreckage home and set fire to their communities. I think its criminal too, highly criminal. I had a thought a while back that that since this is basically the single largest violation of civil rights in America's history (and that's saying something) that we what we really need is a special court to be formed, dedicated to addressing super-spreader mentality at every level and correcting it through punitive judgement. I think people should be able to sue their cities for not enacting and their police departments for not enforcing mask mandates, they should be able to sue the organizes and even the participants of large gatherings including political rallies and 'protests', and we should damned well able to sue large big-box-store corporations that post phony PR-stunt mask mandates and then tell their managers not to enforce them.

 

Is Google too complicated for you? Do I need to keep these links handy so I can post them again the next time you pretend you haven't seen it and pull this crap again?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662657/

Also
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ematicreview/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302301

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?ContensisTextOnly=true

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003205

And on, and on, and on...
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,48&q=masks+virus+transmission&oq=masks+virus+

Learn how to use Google and stop potentially killing people with lies or ignorance.

 

Someone please explain why Asia is doing as well as they are, if mask's don't work.

 

Maybe you can use google figure out what a meta analysis is and why you can't present a single prospective, controlled study with incidence if disease as the primary endpoint (strong scientific evidence)

 

Who's they?
What strong scientific evidence can you share that "they" have presented in defense of this "statement".

 

Because they know better than people that have actually been successful.

So, sure, the states where they don't attack the problem are flirting with failure of biblical proportions.

But that's reality, and they don't need no stinkin' reality.

 

Yes, no studies or evidence will persuade you.

Normally I'm fairly tolerant of science deniers and hysterics, but this time your emotional policy choices, not based on science, have real consequences.