Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

Sigh.
For the umptythousabahillionth time...

The mask protects others from you. Any protection provided to the wearer is is nominal.

Think of it this way.

If you have the virus the mask reduces the probability of airborne infections by blocking the most probable sources. This, of course, assumes you're not naked and peeing into the wind.
For the wearer the mask blocks only two of thousands of potential entry points.

So, congratulations on presenting the "Mr Obvious" of worthless studies.

 

They are shown to be ineffective in groups wearing them, the groups get the same infections. In groups where some have COVID and everyone is wearing a mask it does no effect infection rates. And as study after study that has been posted no they do not prevent someone with COVID from spreading it through the mask, does not affect infection rates. I thought you believed the scientist?

Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates

 

So if I don't have the virus and don't wear a mask I'm only endangering myself? I'm no threat to anyone's grandma?

 

I do. And I know what crap smells like as well.

How is this pile any different than the studies "proving" smoking healthy, seat belts cause accidents, CO2 is good for the environment?

 

produce them and discuss the design methods, inclusion criteria, data collections, analysis and conclusions.

 

produce the study and discuss the design, inclusion criteria, data collections, analysis and conclusions.

 

No need.

 

good for you.
Produce the study with strong scientific evidence.
Quick, google "strong scientific evidence" before you start.

 

well, if you want to look like a contestant on the springer show instead of an informed individual, no.

 

The study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others.

Critics were quick to note the study’s limitations, among them that the design depended heavily on participants reporting their own test results and behavior, at a time when both mask-wearing and infection were rare in Denmark.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/...sks-denmark.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

so they failed to conclude that masks make a difference. Good for them.
You have likewise failed to produce a study with strong scientific evidence that demonstrates masks make a difference.
The null hypothesis is still in effect.

 

I'll wait for the people that know what they are doing.

South Korea got it same time we did. What they did worked, and masks were part of it. The odds this will hold up are slim.

In addition, the real motive is defending Trump, and once he's gone, the motivation is gone. There will always be diehards, but the clock is winding down on this one.

 

ok great, produce a study with strong scientific evidence authored by people who know what they're doing.

 

I’m sitting here snickering thinking how the methodology of the study would not be questioned if it concluded masks significantly reduce infection in the wearer.

Is it perfect? Nope. Is it the best we have so far. Yep. Carry on.

 

if you produce this study we can look at the methodology together.

 

Ahh, what was meant is that the status quo stands until something better comes along.

 

The null hypothesis stands until it can be rejected by strong scientific evidence.
In this case, masks make no difference.

I thought you knew science.
I was wrong

 

I haven’t had time to sign up for the full text, but most of the details can be found here.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04337541#eligibility

And here.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

 

I hear you but my wife works for an airline and we both travel quite a bit, she has seen 1 coworker catch the virus, and he (99%) caught it from a nurse treating a family member (contact trace), not from an airplane.

She's so tired of masks and taking temperatures that I'm afraid I'll wake up one morning with both items shoved up my bung.


My opinion (with zero medical experience!)
Is that masks maybe help a little bit, they do slow the spread but they are really just for show, I wear one everywhere like a good soldier.

Sure it helps if someone coughs or sneezes but maybe it's just me, I almost never hear a sneeze or cough anymore.

Imo Social distance and limiting contact, hand washing and a wee bit of common sense is a bigger contributor to slowing the spread, duly noted again my zero medical experience.

 

Gosh they should put that information on the news or something because I've only heard that about 300 ****ing times.

 

This is policy matter, as well as science...

You don't always have the option of waiting until you get perfect information.

You also don't get to rewrite policy. Not until something better comes along..

 

When reading about a study from a source such as the federalist one would be advised to look closely at the verity






https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

 

Here are a couple very salient points in these common comments, like:
QUOTE]they do slow the spread[/QUOTE]
QUOTE]Sure it helps if someone coughs or sneezes[/QUOTE]

The dynamics of infection spread like highly transmission for groups is quite different than the less dynamic spread from infections like AIDS, which requires much more difficult to transmit.

A cough or sneeze can start single infection that can provide dozens of spread from that event.

Ignoring other infection sources, the transmission of the bodily fluids from mouth and nose are a potent source of infection. Besides sneezes and coughs that can project infectious fluids considerable distance, even speaking, laughing, etc can transfer too, all of which are much more potent than any kind of single virus.

Just saying "excuse me" and "sorry" as moving around a crowd contain sibilants that often transmit tiny, almost invisible specks of nose and mouth sounds that, even tiny, can contain millions of live virus, a good source of warm activities!

Masks are very helpful in protecting others and our selves. And someone touching their OWN mask is not necessarily the issue with reducing physical contact transfer (that is more of an issue for healthcare activities).





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ahh shoot the messenger. On page one i posted the link to the highly respected folks who conducted and published the results. please carry on with your insistence of denying facts. Just because you want to believe that masking up and killing the economy is the best method, the facts do not support your position.

 

CDC does still say that most infections are from large droplets.

I've had seasonal allergies the last couple of days, which just means I sneeze 1-4 times in a row a few times a day. Yesterday, I was at the grocery store and sneezed (one time) in my cloth mask. It occurred to me that before masks, I would have sneezed into my elbow....which is likely more effective at containing any droplets than the mask, or at least just as effective.

We're supposed to sneeze into the mask and our elbow I guess, but the mask creates a bad habit of thinking "we're covered" by just the mask.

Seems like sneezing in a mask just makes particles shoot down on your shirt, up to your forehead and out both sides of your face over your shoulders.

I remain unconvinced on masks, but wear one because it's the law.