What's up with repubs opposing the stimulus bill?

AID TO BUSINESSES

A new program for restaurants and bars hurt by the pandemic would receive $28.6 billion. The grants provide up to $10 million per company with a limit of $5 million per physical location. The grants can be used to cover payroll, rent, utilities and other operational expenses.

The bill also provides $7.25 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program, a tiny fraction of what was allocated in previous legislation. The bill also allows more nonprofits to apply for loans that are designed to help borrowers meet their payroll and operating costs and can potentially be forgiven.

What's inside the $1.9T COVID-19 bill passed by Congress - ABC News (go.com)

 

Are you kidding? You haven't done your homework.

Scroll down to 'Money for small businesses'.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/whats-in-the-covid-relief-bill/index.html

 

Who are suffering? The people who are employed in the hospitality industry, travel, airlines, arts, museums etc. If a restaurant loses business because of covid, it is not just the small business owner who is suffering, it is also the waiters, cooks etc. I realize those are second class citizens in GOP world, because you don't count unless you are a business owner.

How are those people helped by the bill? Money for arts, museums, almost $29 billion for restaurants etc. Me, I like to go to restaurants. I don't mind that some of my tax dollars go to propping them up, until I feel safe to visit them again. I wonder, though, if restaurant owners, who are probably mostly Republican, will be grateful. Or, will the still complain about socialism when the bacon comes their way?

 

Yeah...NOW. Wasn't that way just a few months ago!!!

 

And? What ever it was they began doing a few months ago seems to have worked.

 

Of course. The Right and Responsibility to contribute are fundamental to citizenship. So no more more excuses:

"the need to affirm the right to meaningful, dignified work AND a livable wage has never been clearer."

Put it in legislation. It's called a Job Guarantee...independent of whatever circumstances happen to apply in the private sector "invisible hand" free market, at any particular point in the business cycle.

 

If you GUARANTEE somebody a job, how can you be certain that they will contribute?

 

It's a Democrat Pork Barrel.

 

You mean: how can you 'measure/value' contribution..... if NOT performed in a competitive private sector free market, but as a desired service within the public sector? (eg public park/garden maintenance, assisting the elderly to remain in their own homes, local environment clean-up campaigns, or an individual with a useful skill offering to teach students after hours etc. etc.

Well, "valuation" is in the eye of the beholder, and the cleaner at Coke-cola should be paid more than the CEO, because the former is at least keeping the physical building clean, while the latter is in part responsible for the diabetes and obesity epidemics raging in our modern junk-consumer-based economies.....

 

AND......since the governor stood back and said let them eat Trump, municipalities took upon themselves to shut down and have mask mandates. You see, here in SD, we have a real winter. It's cold and people spend time inside......unlike Florida. So the common sense thing was to implement the measures needed to keep people safe while the governor flew around the country.

 

Or the disease simply ran its course and was headed of by the vaccine Trump called for on day one.

 

Right, it ran it's course (heavy sarcasm). When did that happen?! Headed off by the vaccine?? Under Trump?? When did that happen? You may believe what you're posting but the simple fact is that you're wrong.

 

Yes, the vaccine that even the "eggsperts" said would not be ready for a year and a half. Trump said it would be ready by November and it was.

 

Ok, these sound like good measures. Thanks for setting me straight.

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The people you are referring to are eligible for unemployment, including the extra unemployment. A waitress I know was making $900 a week while she was laid off, not to mention the other stimulus payments. Now she is back to work and not "suffering" anymore. It's no wonder many of these folks didn't want to go back to work when they were receiving $3,600 a month to stay home and sit on their butts playing video games.

Not sure if this is part of this bill or not, but I heard congress was playing with an idea that EVEN WHEN PEOPLE WERE CALLED BACK TO WORK, all they would have to do was SAY THEY WERE SCARED, and they could stay home and collect more rounds of unemployment. If that isn't a disincentive to working, I don't know what is.

I stand by my theory that pretty much the only folks suffering are the small business owners.

 

Everything in place, all the laws, all the policy, all the clowning around is approved and supported by voters...this is a fact!

 

Today if we placed 10 each Reps and Dems in a room, asked them to discuss global climate change for example, and to adjourn the meeting when they have 10 action items to present to the nation, ALL with consensus of those in the room, that meeting will never end! I can understand how some of this dereliction of duty is rooted with those you mention above, but when they are tasked with a specific action, no matter how critical it might be to the nation and it's citizenry, there is something much more happening that makes all of them act like idiots! Like I said, this same performance in the private sector will get all of them terminated! Yet in their public sector this crap goes on forever. I think two issues are at play; First, most all of them are incapable of doing what's in the best interest of the nation. And second, none of them have any accountability to anyone! I don't know if they're just stupid, or disrespectful of their job and office, or are immature to believe playing games is part of their jobs, but whatever is driving this lunacy is making a joke out of the USA...

 

Yes, it is. It's also a fact that as a group, people are stupid. Politics have always been bad, but since Citizens United, money buys the people.

 

So.... people are guaranteed a job, and they decide the level of productivity.

So basically, you just want to give everybody a weekly check?

 

We don't agree.

 

Wrong. Technological development determines the level of productivity in the macro-economy, not workers per se who work within that technological milieu.

Wrong. Wealth and prosperity can only be created through engagement of labor; obviously it's best to have everyone on board (bearing in mind the above remarks about technology and productivity). Not a job for the private sector alone.

Understand?

 

Wrong.

The GOP has made a calculated risk that they are going to play the long game.

Agree to NOTHING. Pass NO compromised legislation, do everything they can to ruin any democratic agendas, and hope that will bring that back into a super majority so they can pass the bills as they wish and choose without the need to compromise one second.

THAT is the Republican plan.

They are literally willing to vote no on anything, even if they know its a good bill and will help people, in order to gain power, to pass bills on their own terms.

The Republican party has gone almost full facist IMO.

 

This is really amusing coming from someone who belongs to a party that wants to control other people's lives - what they say, what they think, what they can eat, drink, smoke, how they can vote or else you'll be cancelled.

 

You above response, which was in response to;

So basically, you just want to give everybody a weekly check?

IF the guaranteed government job did not provide a useful service or product needed by society equivalent to the value of the wages paid, the above comment would be true, that the wage would be , essentially, useless labor for welfare, i.e., people being given a weekly check, a kind of welfare.

 

Not true...I'm a 'people' and money cannot buy me. Each person makes their own decisions...

 

It is true. You base your decisions on what you see, hear and read. All run by money.