"the gun just went off"

@Rampart

Wow! Now that was the best example of a personal attack and defamation of 2021, so far.. YOU need to learn about the YOU's

Good luck

 

Please clarify who you mean by "...you guys..." and what you mean by "... lock you down."

Are you suggesting that anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment is a murderous maniac?

By the way, if a determined killer has made up his mind that he wants to kill a large number of people and can't get a gun, he will find a way and possibly kill more people with any number of crude WMDs.

For example, a killer in NY wanted to kill only one person but ended up killing 86 additional people with only $1.00 worth of gasoline(1)
Please note that the number of deaths in this incident far outnumber the number of deaths in any mass shooting on record.

Thanks,


(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

 

If it cannot be proven it is at best shot in the dark guess work.

 

please copy "the car started by itself" and paste on the search line of your favorite search engine. the result will be thousands of stories of cars claimed to think for themselves by their "responsible" car owners.

 

You would find a lot of support from gun owners for this option:

In order to be eligible buy or possess a gun, you must attend and pass a class that includes safety as well as the full range of firearms knowledge and skill.
That give you a certification card, which is permanent unless revoked for cause.

You will not see gun owners backing the idea that they need insurance of other stuff like that.
Fact is, guns do not "just go off" unless they are damaged and improperly handled or in possession of a careless, unskilled person who is in fact the "just go off" part of this story.
A gun is a tool, a mechanical device. Even though a hammer doesn't have moving parts, many people have been injured with hammers unintentionally too- often, the same person using it.

 

hmmm 7 stories on duck suck go ...... seems to be an odd problem wirg 2004 camry, "christine" like fiction, and a few articles about the self driving cars.

nothing like the thousands of lies told by "responsible gun owners" about their guns,

 

Oh so you agree that guns don't just magically go off by themselves how rational and logical

 

why do so many local authorities believe that "the gun just went off?" very few of the shooters are prosecuted in these "accidents."

 

Well since you haven't actually referred to anyone specific it's kind of hard to answer that but machines do what they're designed to do they don't just randomly do things that they're not intended to do. do you also think the guns have an evil will of their own that cost people to pick them up and shoot other people? Probably so huh?

 

i think that there are people who act on impulse, and who might even claim that their own agency is limited. many of these people are identified by their parents and teachers long before they finally kill.

 

Citing the FBI falsehood!

There is NO link to any ORIGINAL FBI source data in YOUR link!

The BOGUS link in YOUR source takes one to this EXTREMIST rightwing DISINFORMATION site instead.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/law-enforcement-today/

NOTHING credible from your sources!

Sad!

 

That BOVINE EXCREMENT "study" has been DEBUNKED umpteen times already!

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

FACTS matter and the FACTS establish that the Kleck study was NOT published because it was based upon BAD data.

 

So we shouldn't make it as difficult as possible. Got it.

 

If you will read my original Post, my primary assertion was that MSM does not publish stories about the innumerable times in which a gun has been used to prevent violent crimes and personal assaults.
Whether it's because DGUs (Defensive Gun Uses) are under reported or because of the anti gun bias inherent in MSM, I don't know but I believe that that DGUs are more plentiful than generally reported because, at the age of 70, I've had three and didn't bother to report any of them.

Among other people who have had to live and work in rough neighborhoods during periods of their lives I have heard similar DGU stories that I find far more convincing than the musings of cloistered and hoplophobic leftist eggheads at Harvard. The blatantly biased, "findings" of equally cloistered, anti gun keyboard jockeys at NPR and the Washington Post are certainly no more persuasive because their "research" is based on simply slandering those who have saved their own lives and the lives of others as liars.

I don't know if Kleck dotted all his "i"s or crossed all of his "t"s but based on personal experience, I feel that his conclusions are far more accurate than those of the sheltered, anti gun pedants you have cited.

 

I appreciate that you are stipulating that YOUR position is based ENTIRELY upon whatever ALIGNS with your own Confirmation Bias rather than credible Scientific Fact Based information.

I will still UPHOLD your right to your unsubstantiated opinion however when it comes to CREDIBLE information I will ALWAYS defer to the FACTS.

 

He thought he was a cowboy at a gun fight with his rapid holstering and de-holstering. He was not pointing at the ground when the shot went off, the trainer lied, he was pointing straight ahead so which rule is that?

Now, I'm not saying that getting training is wrong, it should be mandatory

 

The trainer in the video said that the gun went off by itself. Anything, but blame the gun owner

 

Knife death rates are huge in the US too, way lower than gun death rates though.

 

As I said, I didn't report any of my 3 DGUs nor has anyone else I've talked to who has been forced into a DGU.

How do you know that there aren't millions of other DGUs if people aren't reporting them?

It seems like you are the one holding onto an unsubstantiated anti gun bias.

 

Has anyone ever looked into how many legitimate gun owners and or members of the NRA have ever been convicted of a murder where a gun was involved? Methinks the answer would be zero. The point being is that gun owners are extremely qualified to handle their weapons in an intelligent and safe manner.

 

I provided a VALID study that SUPPORTED my position while EXPOSING the FALLACIES in your position.

ONUS is on YOU to substantiate that your ANECDOTES amount to anything of significance BEYOND what I have provided.

 

Watch it again. You are making false claims.

 

No, you've simply confirmed my supported assertion that MSM and the cloistered hoplophobes at Harvard have an anti gun bias.(1)

In the following article,(2) Kleck repeatedly refutes the "studies" you have presented.

I'm afraid that your "VALID study" has just been flushed.

The primary fact is that I can no more prove that the DGUs I and millions like me have experienced were real than you can disprove them.


(1) "Media portrayal of gun ownership is inaccurate and biased"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/media-portrayal-of-gun-ownership-is-inaccurate-and-biased

EXCERT "The media’s pro-gun control bias doesn’t just distort news coverage. TV networks have used their primetime entertainment shows to portray gun rights advocates as dishonest, extremist and unconcerned about the loss of innocent lives. At the same time, advocates of gun control are portrayed as caring, upstanding and responsible citizens.

The gun control debate isn’t portrayed as having two sides. It’s a morality play of good versus evil." CONTINUED


(2) "Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082/

EXCERPT "The authors repeat, item for item, speculative criticisms floated by a man named David Hemenway in 1997 and repeated endlessly since. The conclusion these critics drew is that our survey grossly overestimated the frequency of defensive gun use (DGU), a situation in which a crime victim uses a gun to threaten or attack the offender in self-defense. But what DeFilippis and Hughes carefully withheld from readers is the fact that I and my colleague have refuted every one of Hemenway’s dubious claims, and those by other critics of the NSDS, first in 1997, and again, even more extensively, in 1998 and 2001. Skeptical readers can check for themselves if we failed to refute them—the 1998 version is publicly available here." CONTINUED

 

I certainly agree that people need to learn how to safely handle firearms. I live in Los Angeles and even liberals are buying guns. The shooting ranges are no longer safe with these people muzzle strafing the rest of us.

 

Tragic - but it requires perspective:
423,000,000 guns in the US.
In the last 5 years, an average of 482 people per year died in firearms accidents.