“The Message of Trump’s Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom”

They had already started going down the stairs when she breached the barricade. They were in no position to see what she was doing. They didn't hear here coaxing the violent mob to follow her. Also, I don't think she was the one who busted out the window. She was just the first one to try jumping through it . . . while coaxing the violent mob to follow her.

 

Where's the evidence that politics was what governed the use of said force?

 

You need to get your hearing checked... It's a "case by case determination"...

If you think this is politics governing the use of deadly force, you need a lot of things checked....

 

Theoretically, if they had gotten into the Senate and VP Pence was there you are saying they could not use fatal force until the the very moment the assailant was on top of Pence?

There is plenty video evidence members of Congress were in the Chambers, and the secrecy was the name of the police officer, which understandably wasn't going to be released for his own safety

 

You are forgetting the threats of violence on members of Congress and VP, and the actual violence being committed against the Capitol police attempting to hold back the invaders

 

And they have all been investigated by the Department of Justice (https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt)

 

Why? I am sure the investigation will be released at some point, but the the invasion of the Capitol wasn't centered upon this one tragedy, and making it such, as Trump is doing her, is not only a deflection, but disingenuous in an attempt to reframe the events of the day in a erroneous self serving narrative

 

They were standing there facing her, police were allowing her to do it, the capitol police had moved out of the way.

Why didn't they kill her since they were in the best position to judge the threat? Why didn't they try to stop her? You can't even hear any verbal orders to stop.

 

At some point, well WHAT POINT. This was a homicide were is the report we the citizens have a right to see.

 

So if violence is being used against the police by rioters then the police can use lethal force?

 

A violent "riot" aimed at the very seat of the US Government with the intent of halting Americans' choice for President and in the process threatening to kill officials who refused to cooperate with their objective of overturning those election result goes a long way beyond anyone's understand of riot

 

Were those "protesters during the Kavanaugh hearing" physically attacking Capitol police at the time, or, threatening to kill them if they impeded their movement? Apples and Oranges

 

How do you know they were carrying weapons, usually, Capitol police don't pack inside of the Capitol, and if I am not mistaken, they were a bit busy confronting the crowd

 

Dept of Justice did not find it a homicide, you did, and as noted before, the invasion of the Capitol wasn't centered upon this one tragedy, and making it such, as Trump is doing here and you are obviously swallowing, is not only a deflection, but disingenuous in an attempt to reframe the events of the day in a erroneous self serving narrative

 

It looks to me like politics has governed the AFTERMATH of this shooting.

 

It appears to me that politics is governing the aftermath of this shooting.

 

It certainly was Trump's politics that started the whole mess.

 

I couldn't have said it better.... (or faster, as it turns out).

Look, I feel a bit sorry the woman was shot and it was certainly a questionable call made under duress by the officer... she wasn't actively doing anything that required her death at that moment, but that future moment wasn't unimaginable either...

I wouldn't have had a stroke if they had charged the officer with something (probably short of manslaughter considering the circumstances), but they didn't....

 

That's close to right. More correct would be if those police placed themselves directly between Pence and a pressing crowd, I would then support the use of deadly force to stop them. But the killing of Ashli Babbitt was nowhere near that level of threat.

But when, exactly, were they in Chambers, and when, exactly, were they evacuated out of Chambers? Were those officers really defending anyone still in the building when one of them shot Ashli Babbitt?

I would like to see an independent investigation of this shooting with all of its findings released to the public. Sadly, if we are honest, we know that the DOJ probably does a fine job except when there is a political component to its deliberations. All of us on both sides of the political divide have seen this in recent years.

As a law enforcement officer myself, I cannot find a way to justify shooting this unarmed woman at that moment. I have been forced to make deadly force decisions in my past. But I am glad I didn't make this one, and I'm glad I don't have to live with it.

 

Agreed, but the shooting itself should be judged without a political lens filtering our perception.

 

Boy , I sure am glad that was your last post on the topic ! As uninformed and biased as your first post.
And just plain wrong. Do you have any more “last post”s to share that we can pick apart ?

 

No, bottom line is she and the rest of those who stormed the capital put themselves in harms way. There is no excuse for that behavior.

 

Fortunately for all Americans, a US Congressional investigation will soon be in action in open live on TV hearings to get to the bottom of the whole insurrection of January 6, 2021. Since Ms. Babbitt was shot and killed during that riot, members of Congress will have the opportunity to investigate the unfortunate death. They will also look into the origins of the attack and who was involved in assembling and inciting these animals. I look forward to seeing dozens of witnesses grilled by our Representatives. It would be nice to see Trump himself on the hot seat for hours like Hillary Clinton was back in October of 2015 before that Congressional panel. Also, Kevin McCarthy should be brought in to testify about his conversation with Trump during the attack. Phone records should be examined to ascertain if any Congressmen or Senators had any interaction with the scum that attacked our Capitol too. This should be a real humdinger! I can’t wait for this deal to be big news every day for months.

 

She was breaking the law. She was an unarmed woman. There is no evidence that she was posing an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to anyone when she was shot, nor is there any evidence that she - and specifically she - ever intended to harm anyone.

We are setting the bar awfully low for the use of deadly force. Shall we start using this new lower standard in other crowd situations and venues?

 

If someone was coming at me with a mob behind the, I would have no problem shooting them.

I suggest you review the tape, but I doubt any Trump supporter is willing to accept the reality.