“The Message of Trump’s Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom”

He asked the people at the rally to pressure Pence to break the law.

 

You'd think if there is something there, someone would.

Hmmm.

Maybe, just maybe, the truth is not going to be according to your hopes and desires.

Maybe that's why your side hasn't found a ****ing thing, because maybe there isn't anything there to be found.

Just maybe.

Until y'all dig something up, I'm waiting for the committee's report because I don't know, it's a serious event that needs to have facts presented, not speculation.

 

Are you kidding? he has total control over them, they will do anything he wanted them to do, which is what they did.

Well, one thing is a fact, that he could have told his flock to stand down, and he didn't until long after it was over.

There is no getting around that one.

 

I wonder if a full on investigation of the events of Jan 6th would shed some light on this whole matter. Who was it that blocked those efforts again?

 

Nope they were on their own and at no time did he tell anyone to engage in any violent act.

 

This was a homicide where is the police report and grand jury. Congress is no a criminal investigative body.

 

I seem to be the only wants who wants the TRUTH to be brought to light why don't you?

 

Bits and pieces are coming forth (NOT verified yet). Ivanka, at the White House, trying to get him to intervene. McCarthy calling him during the riot and being rebuffed. Why did he wait? I think we should ask him, under oath.

 

He asked them to urge Pence to voice an objection which he believed was legal. That is not telling anyone to engage in violence.

Try again.

 

Doesn't have to be advocating violence. The standard is an attempt to disrupt the government (i.e. the joint session). Besides...he knew violence was occurring and did not ask the rioters to leave the building until 4:17 PM, via a video made earlier. How much earlier? Trump has a lot of questions to answer. Did he "freeze?" Maybe. Was the delay planned? Maybe. Why did he wait?

 

You should look up the definition of homicide. Doesn’t apply here.

hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN

1. the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

 

By the way, has anyone looked into the oranges-- err, origins of Ashli Babbitt's martyrdom? Seems to me it was a QAnon thing.

 

Why would he have believed that to be legal? Pence and others had explained to him that it wasn't.

 

What are you talking about Noone ever said anything about cops or the capital police officer's political party. Good grief.

 

The same way you thought he was a russian agent???

 

Legal definitions are what counts in a legal case.
Homicide is the killing of one human by another. Not all homicide is murder.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/homicide


Homicide
Homicide is when one human being causes the death of another. Not all homicide is murder, as some killings are manslaughter, and some are lawful, such as when justified by an affirmative defense, like insanity or self-defense.


Your dictionary does not include the law definition. Seems a little messed up tk me considering they define justifiable homicide. Murder is a crime. Justifiable homicide is not. So again, not all homicide is murder and people who commit homicide are not always a murderer.

 

That's a weasel argument. You have look at his actions over the year prior, leading up to it, and considering it all, he is very much responsible for 1/6.

But for Donald Trump, there would be no 1/6. It's as simple as that. He bears responsibility, as the Nation's president, the onus is on the President to choose his words with responsibility, which he did not, for the prior year, he filled their hearts in minds with the bogus narrative that Democrats were cheating him out of the election, day after day, week after week, he shouted from with the biggest megaphone in the world, the presidential bully pulpit, that Democrats are stealing the election" instilling rage in their hearts, and calling them to 'fight like hell' thus creating a kind of vulcanism, lava flowing under the surface, and releasing it on Jan 6, which was the explosion of held back rage under the mantra of 'Stop The Steal" and the result as the attack on the capitol, and once it started, he did nothing to stop it, and when he finally did do something, it was too late, and he told them he 'loved them'.

https://www.justsecurity.org/74138/...actions-leading-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

 

You? That's a rather arrogant thing to say, don't you think? You're the only one?

Yeah, we want the truth, but apparently republicans don't, because not one of them voted for a bipartisan commission.

 

You wrote:

I can buy it but can the left buy the Brianna Taylor shooting was also legit considering the officers were fired at? Our the any of the other events that lead to deadly force when officers were attacked. Uh I'll answer for you, the left can't and won't ever look at the circumstances if a white cop kills a black man. They riot, loot and lefties on here justify it all over and over again. Bottom line if this would have been a white cop shooting a black man the left would try to burn the capital down, we would know the cops name and he more than likely would've be fired awaiting trail. The issue my friend is the double standard and the right is doing the EXACT SAME THING THE LEFT DOES in these circumstances to prove a point.

You're the one shouting right and left politics, that is why I wrote what I wrote.

 

Ashli Babbitt, RIP. Sadly, she followed Trump who cared nothing about her. Now he is using her memory to fuel the rage of his unhappy base. All in the sake of fundraising from his followers.

 

You keep dodging while I try to address it. Yea you want the truth as defined by a partisan commission. Remember Schiff proclaimed for over a year he had INDISPUTABLE evidence of Trump Russia collusion and he would would bring it and that would be the end of Trump. He NEVER produced it. You think he is going to look and anything more than how he can blame Trump? I want the facts as the police investigation determined and I want the evidence upon which that is based. This was a homicide why are they hiding the official reports and evidence from the public?

 

Perhaps he has learned from the Democrats how to do so.

 

Those are the facts and you have presented nothing to refute them. Post the quote of him telling people to go and commit violent acts.

And politicians calling people to come to the capital to address their grievances is nothing new it happens routinely.

 

Of course it does it was the deliberate killing of one person by another. THAT is homicide. Homicide is not necessarily murder or an unlawful death. Killing someone in self defense is a homicide, a JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE. Homicide's are investigated by the police and the citizens get a report on that investigation we pay them to conduct.

Why have those investigations been withheld from the citizens.

 

Exactly and all homicides are investigated to determine was it a JUSTIFIABLE homicide. And that is the question here, where is the official report on that homicide and the evidence which supports it's conclusion. That is something we the citizens have a right to know.