FBI Seizes Oath Keeper Lawyer’s Phone in “Seditious Conspiracy” Investigation

Sounds like conspiracy theory stuff. Do you have evidence or are you going to insist that everyone else prove you wrong?

What question am I trying to avoid?

"Can prove to me that the Twin Towers weren't shot down by lasers?"

Is that the question or similar question you desperately want answered?

 

You made a statement about W being shrugged off. What event are you speaking of.

 

Not my job to educate you. I'm sure you're more than capable of reading history.

 

You hold on to very little.

The federal prosecutor who had been overseeing the Justice Department's investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol said evidence is likely to support sedition charges against some of the rioters.

But knowing the dissonance of the MAGA in the face of the law, you are foolish enough to claim victory if none of the 500+ rioters who were arrested are going to serve time in prison on charges other than sedition.

 

Ah, so it was just a lie to deflect from the topic. Fascinating narrative you have.

 

...and, everybody and anybody who is not an (R) including "no party" and non-voters. I've read at least 4 posts on this forum in which the poster advocated abortion or infanticide if the parents are "liberals". It's sick.

 

And the bipartisan senate inquiry into the 2016 election found???

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate-findings-fact-idUSKCN25E2OY

And QANON - the right owns that one alright






They aren’t exactly flooding Democrat rallies

 

I would call it the uniparty senate inquiry and who cares?

Their opinion is purely political and has nothing to do with Jan. 6.

The pied-piper campaign worked incredibly well.

 

Ummm so Biden had the inauguration on January 5??

 

They probably will never indict him over this but a lawyer could easily prove he and Giuliani were accessories.

1. He posted a tweet inviting his supporters to come out that day and added "It's going to be wild". (Why would a rally be "wild"?)
2. He refused to call in reinforcements from the National Guard. Pelosi and Pence had to step in and do it.
3. He and Giuliani called the same wrong number (WHILE the Capitol was being breached) to implore him to stop the certification.
4. Depending on the specific charges against each arrestee, his statements about Pence being a traitor could be used against him.

His phone calls are all recorded and transcribed with date/time stamps. Therefore, he can't claim that he had no knowledge of what was happening. He also can't justify why he ignored repeated requests to call for back-up from the NG.

I feel sorry for his supporters that have been arrested and prosecuted and will be prosecuted. They broke the law, but they were lead to believe they were doing the right thing for a POTUS they believed in. It has to be painful for them to accept that he used them as pawns and has remained silent on the whole matter outside the speech he read (probably written by an attorney to distance him from the whole mess). At the time, they trusted he was telling the truth that Pence had authority to stop the certification. Now, he is labeled that way and he's the one that kept his oath of office. This is why some consider Trump to be dangerous. He will knowingly tell a lie to get others to do his dirty work and then acts like his hands are clean. We all have witnessed Giuliani go to bat for him over and over and he outright refuses to pay him. How anybody can rationalize that is just wrong.

I know in at least one of the cases, the judge told a rioter something along the lines of "loyalty is to one's country, not a person." I'm absolutely heartbroken that so many of my fellow Americans actually put a person above our country and Constitution. Nobody could have paid me to believe this could happen in the US.

 

You didn't get the memo, I see. Racism doesn't exist unless your name is Larry Elder (and we like you because you are a conservative but "stay in your place").

 

The DOJ along with the FBI have continuously over charged and have had a lot of the charges thrown out in court. This is a simply a political prosecution with little to do with real law.

 

A lot of speculation and you are probably not aware that he did offer the National Guard previous to 1/6 but it was turned down. He can't just call the National Guard out. Pelosi would have to specifically request the National Guard.

 

I completely agree with you. No elected official in any capacity should be calling for people to use any kind of violence or even protest, imo.
However, this does not have any reflection on what happened on Jan 6th. The rally, completely set up by Trump, was advertised as a "wild time", they knew the violent rhetoric of the people going to the rally, and then repeatedly incited them. The rally was timed to give the rally goers opportunity to try and stop the constitutional process of the state's votes being officially counted in the senate.
And then they were instructed to do so. Trump sat in his office after telling the people he would be "right there with you". What a loser! I can't believe anyone actually still defends him on this when he completely bailed on his fellow protestors. Why wasn't he there like he promised? He knew it could get bad, and didn't want to be implicated. Trump is the very definition of a coward. Anyone defending him is being foolish.

 

Demanding a 10 day delay in the certification of the election to investigate.

 

Kevin McCarthy was the House Speaker? He had contact with Mr. Sund? News at 11 to me. Deflecting from Pelosi's failed leadership during the riots(like everything else) isn't surprising. If people want to know the power of the mainstream media, the facts of Pelosi's failure are self evident and had been reported, yet absolutely no consequence(and an attempt by this poster to claim Republicans 'breached security and then denied additional forces to contain it.)

If McCarthy actually had been Speaker, with the facts known about what Pelosi did(with McCarthy as a shoe-in), demands for McCarthy's resignation would ring from every democratic chamber.

 

150 is more than a few. Not factual.

 

Nope.
Congress - Pelosi - is in charge of the Capitol Police - not the president.

 

Is this info from Q-Anon?

 

Did you or Pelosi or anyone else claim up front there was going to be a riot at the Capital based on that tweet? Theres your answer.

Well first off, calling the NG doesn't make any sense. Thats a 24 hour turn around time. Which is why they didn't show up until the next day. We don't have thousands or even hundreds of guardsmen waiting in hangers to respond. They are pre military civilians doing their jobs. And when called to action, they assemble at their armory for tasking orders then respond.

But heres a pretty important question. Why was the Capital police request for additional officers ignored? With a force of over 2500 officers they only had Capital staff on duty that day? And instead of locking down the capital they held the doors open for protestors? Given the fact they already knew what happened at the SCOTUS by the left attacking the building trying to beat down the doors to stop the swearing in ceremony, and the attack at the WH where they burned a church and had to be forced back a city block, they knew there was going to be a problem.

Capitol Police (several days before the riot) had distributed an internal request warning that extremists were poised for violence. Now they have fired the Captain of that force and replaced him over the Capital riots? There is more to this than meets the eye.

I don't know what that means. Never heard of that claim

If you think I am for these idiots breaching the capital. I'm not. I'm not even mad about someone being shot. As far as I am concerned, they were warned and the duty of the CP is to protect our elected officials and if you breach a barrier you take your life in your own hands. And to that fact, if they had more officers standing guard at the capital I don't believe they would have been so brazen. But you have to ask yourself, after 8 months of ALLOWED riots, attacking the SCOTUS, attacking the officers guarding the WH where the president had to be evacuated to a bunker, burning of the church, that was all called peaceful protesting, this riot is the one that got the lefts attention? What did they expect? You have idiots on both sides and to not take the CP request for additional officers was either mass ignorance or intentional. But we will find out soon. Most likely after the mid terms where Pelosi can't control the committee if all goes well.

Trump never made such claims and like I said before, calling in the national guard would be like calling in a fire department from a state away for a local fire. There is no response time within 24 hours. I don't even know why this is a thing.

I don't feel sorry for them in the lease. You act like they were all 5 year old children. They were adults who attacked the capital out of pure idiocy, not because of mind control. And they won't be able to use that as a defense either. Trump made me do it? Really? I say they all get 20 years. And moving forward, any attack on our elected officials or breaching of our national offices be met with deadly force. No exceptions. I had 6 friends that were all there that day. Went to Trumps speech and walked down to the capital. You know what they did when protestors moved up the capital steps, they left. 4 of the 6 were contacted and interviewed by the FBI.

You going to blame 20,000 people for the actions of a few hundred idiots? You know what I don't get, it took this to get everyone's attention? Really? After 4 years of 24/7 hate speech against the president from Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, and their bought and paid for media with 8 months of riots they egged on prior to this riot? Which by the way refused to call in the NG. The continued assaults on the WH with over 50 officers injured from rocks and frozen water bottles in one incident alone and all of a sudden everyone is so bewildered as to how this could happen?

And there is your answer. You just can't believe anything like this could happen. Where was this belief when they attacked the SCOTUS. Beating on the front doors, screaming at officers, climbing on the statues, and defacing property? Where was your disbelief when these peaceful protestors were attacking capital police defending the WH were over 50 were injured and the president had to be evacuated to a bunker? Where was your disbelief when these same peaceful protestors burnt down the church across the street from the WH in protest against Trump? Or the thousands of anti Trump mobs attacking rally attendees just because they don't like Trump?

And you should ask yourself this question. Why were the Capital police at the SCOTUS in force prior to the mob arriving and not the Capital itself? They locked down the SCOTUS and had more officers standing at the front door than all the officers inside the capital?

Where was your disbelief after hundreds of cops and Americans were killed in the BLM riots, as the riots continued, this is what Democrats had to say
Harris said that "protesters should not let up
Rep. Ayanna Pressley "There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives. And unfortunately, there's plenty to go around,
Maxine Waters "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere,
Nancy Pelosi asking rioters, "I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be,"

I am not in any way trying to minimize the attacks on the capital. I just find it very very hard to believe this new profound outrage about the capital riot given the 4 years of previous actions by the left as well as Pelosi, Harris, Pressley, and the media not only ignoring the billions in damage and American lives lost while they publicly supporting such to now be so beside
themselves.

Seems very hypocritical to me coupled with the lack of proper security at the Capital on that day. There is a lot here that just doesn't add up.[/QUOTE]

 

Or surprised this admin would try to destroy client lawyer privilege. Closest thing to a dictator we have ever had.

 

Nope, and I wouldn't be broadcasting fake outrage about it either.

 

He asked the crowd to march on the Capitol and demand that Pence break the law. Since the joint session was already in process, the only way to do that would be to delay the session, which was the plan, announced by Giuliani at the rally and as introduced by Cruz in the joint session. If the break-in was known to Trump at the time of his speech, he would be complicit in a seditious conspiracy.

 

Did I not say that

 

no, they should be charged, and many were.