Milley, McKenzie say they recommended 2,500 troops stay in Afghanistan, after Biden claims he was ne

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  1. mdrobster

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    Project somewhere else.
     
  2. GrayMan

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    War? When no American troops were dying?
     
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    Why do people continue to try and throw red herrings at this debacle? The question isn't whether Trump and his followers wanted out. The question is why did Biden lie saying no one from the military said to leave 2,500 military persons in Afghanistan? Why didn't Biden take the advice of General McKenzie? And, the question is why did Biden not remove all Americans and Afghan's that helped the U.S. and allies over the 20 years of war before removing all the military out. Why leave all the weapons that we did regardless if they were made inoperative? China and Russia will be able to make them operative again. Biden has lied so many times now. Stop arguing that Biden just followed Trump's orders. He didn't. Trump's orders were condition based. Biden didn't make the Taliban meet any conditions whatsoever. Bungling fool Biden.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and in that agreement did it state we had to send the troop home before the American citizens and the Afghan allies?
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was the how that is in question and that was ALL Biden so stop trying to deflect already. And he was elected to be a LEADER not a follower.
     
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    That was the other striking thing about it, you can't defend his statement either way each is BAD sign about his administration.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep either Biden bold faced lied to cover his ass
    or you believe him when he couldn't recall an important recommendation proving he is senile
     
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    So you didn't want us to get out of Afghanistan because you are criticizing Trump for getting the process started and had you listened to the the testimony today that when he wanted us out before Jan. 15th the military advised against it and said OK he went with their advice. And Congress had no vote in the matter Biden didn't go to them either.

    The fact is the military generals were telling Biden the date needed to be moved and the residuary force remaining so that if the Taliban started to do what it did they could stop them until we could get out on OUR terms. Biden choose to do it on the Taliban's terms.
     
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    Psaki doesn't even try to hide it.
     
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    He wanted them out by Jan. 15th in order to meet his promise to have them out, speeding up the date in the agreement. The generals in their meetings warned him they could not do it without what we see happening now happen. He listened to them and took their advice and did not order it. It was in the testimony today.

    The key being he LISTENED to the generals and TOOK their advice. Biden wanted his political fanfare for the 9/11 anniversary and refused the generals recommendations.

    BTW I heard Peter Ducey asked Paski after the spin that there was disagreement and Biden was the commander and had to make the decision BLAH BLAH BLAH who were the generals who were advising to get out like he did and she could not name any.
     
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    He probably lied or ignored it because he had no intention on staying there any longer.
     
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    11 last year. 21 the year before…what are you talking about?
     
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    So the dishonor of abandoning our allies is compounded by the dishonor of lying about it.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything I wrote?
     
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    You posted it. See above
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about — I 100% supported all efforts to get us out of that place. trump had his own domestic war in January. If you believe he suddenly headed the advice of anyone after ignoring it for 4 years… we will just have to disagree

    The terms were set by the previous administration and the Taliban. Delayed by Biden and then finally implemented. Correct
     
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    Trump originally made the IMBECILIC decision to pull out of Afghanistan.

    Trump was the one who decided to get out of Afghanistan.

    Any attempt to hang this on Biden is a Complete Joke.

    Trump OWNS what happened in Afghanistan.

    ^Universally Accepted and Beyond Dispute.
     
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    You realize that is another poster? Yes

    I also don’t read that statement the same way. trump and his supporters wanted us out of Afghanistan, they berated Biden for not following the agreed date and then when he did they still did so even prior to the causalities.

    That doesn’t mean trump or the cult was the reason he finally ended that mess in the Middle East.
     
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    I have no problem saying that Biden lied if it is proven he did. He isn't a personal friend or family member, so why on earth would I defend him if he was wrong?

    I'm just enjoying Milley's moment of being a media darling for the Right after they'd called for his hanging just a short time ago.
     
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    Wow, did I ever mentioned how impressed I am with Trump supporters knowledge :)
     
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    Did Woodward lie about Milley promising to spy for the Chinese military in relation to an attack?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden did both
    first he ignored the recommendation to leave 2500 troops and that got 13 soldiers killed countless afghans killed and hundreds if not thousands American citizens and afghan allies left behind
    then Biden lied about that recommendation saying he never got one to cover his ass for those deaths and those left behind
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well one of them is lying
    difference is one was under oath
    and if Milley made a recommendation there will be a record of it and or witnesses so he knows better not to lie under oath about what can be proven
     
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    and will say it again
    pulling out wasn't the mistake wasn't the screw up it was how it was done and that is all on Biden
    Trump listen to the generals that we needed to leave x amount there or the country will fall to the Taliban and Trump listen and left x amount there
    It was Biden that ignored the generals, that is why Kabul fell as fast as it did, got 13 troops and countless afghans killed and hundreds if not thousand left behind
    and it is beyond delusional to blame Trump for any of that
     
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    I think we all know that Joe just forgot. I'm sure somewhere there is a record of the meeting. If this were the Trump era it would have been leaked already. But since Biden likely doesn't have people in his administration actively trying to destroy it we probably wont get any further with this.
     
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