Texas has more than double New York's unvaccinated, but fewer COVID deaths

I'm looking at the recent surge. I'm using raw numbers. New York already has a smaller population than Texas. The per capita numbers would only be relevant if Texas was experiencing more deaths per day. Which is hasn't done very often since Omicron has hit.

 

Then post those numbers instead of just linking to sites and expecting everyone else to do the work

And I expect PER CAPITA another raw numbers please

 

Has the word “pandemic” slipped by you?

 

Texas = 154. New York = 56.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Majority if NY deaths came early 2020 before vaccines existed.

Florida shut down hard and long.

 

~ Just was looking at something similar - same statistics. Scary stuff ...

 

I think population density has more to do with it than vaccination. People in New York live roughly 4x closer to eachother than Texas (due mostly to NYC of course). This dynamic repeats itself all over the nation- covid is far more of a big-city problem, and far more New Yorkers live in their big city than Texans live in their big cities.

...which begs the question: if we're willing to mandate lockdowns and (try to mandate) vaccinations to prevent the spread of illness, why are we not willing to mandate that so many people not live so close to eachother to prevent same? (I support mandating NEITHER, ftr) It looks to me like not living in a densely packed urban environment is probably better protection than the vaccine...

 

I’ve heard that 90% of Canadian population lives within 100 miles from the US border. Canada is like 3 Chicago metropolitan area spread over the US northern border.
You can’t compare Texas to Canada.

 

I've long been saying; We can't rationally compare Nations and State's Covid stats as there are too many "Yeah, buts''.

 

Has the word endemic, ya know, the Omicron variant, for example, slipped by you?

 

So, what you are saying is that the argument you were making has no point?

 

Wasn’t Florida first to reopen?

 

Get yours today ! ​

 

This is actually pretty easy. Since the end of 2020, when vaccines started to become available in the US, New York has had about 25,000 COVID deaths. Texas has had 50,000. I'm not a genius at maths, but with Texas having 29 million people & NY having 20 million that means Texas is doing WAY worse since vaccinations became available.

However, vaccination did not become widespread in the US for a few months. So, lets flash forward to May 1, 2021. By that point about 300 million doses had been injected. So, how they doing? Well, Texas has had 28,000 deaths & New York 11,000. That is over 2.5 to 1.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Damn! So the poorly vaccinated folk of Texas have been dying at over two and a half times the rate of the better vaccinated folk of New York. Seems like the sort of thing people should check before making a bunch of poorly sourced claims....but we all know that isn't going to happen.

 

~ Most of the deaths in New York already happened under $aint Cuomo. There are not many left to die ...

“ Who cares that they died in the hospital, or died in a nursing home? They died. ”

 

Rationally, we can't compare State's Pandemic stats......there are too many negative factors we should consider.

However, nationally, what's rationally comparable is the following;

On a specific date,

Number of fully vaccinated Covid deaths as a percent of total fully vaccinated

VERSUS

Number of unvaccinated Covid deaths as a percent of total unvaccinated

But, which ''Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated'' source(s) will you trust?

CDC
State's DoH
State's HA
Non-government sources

 

Not declared endemic yet

 

A critical thinking person would declare the pandemic endemic. Too bad many gov't Covid bureaucrats can't think critically. BTW, IMO, being proficient at thinking critically should be a prerequisite for any scientist.

 

Yes they would and they would be basing it on years of study in epidemiology and virology - and YOUR qualifications in this field include??

Don’t bother replying it is evident from your posts

 

I'm a pretty proficient critical thinker...As I've already posted, Covid gov't bureaucrats don't tend to be critical thinkers. As a matter of fact, too many gov't Covid bureaucrats are entrenched in politics making them more political and less likely to follow the science of epidemiology, for example.

 

Critical analysis in science is a specific skill and a very refined method of reviewing data

But I will give you the benefit of the doubt x post your systematic review and meta-analysis of the research and data that would support your hypothesis

 

You haven’t critically thought your last sentence.

Critical thinkers do ask themselves questions, for example;

Are scientists critical thinkers?

 

Rather, a successful critical thinker decides if the path of questioning is logical, for example.

For example, should one try to eliminate all cases of the Omicron variant? A critical thinker would think not since the complications for Omicron are very mild in comparison to Alpha or Delta, for example. For example, a critical thinker might think that herd immunity or natural immunity may be a determinant factor in the mildness of Omicron. For example, a critical thinker may think that herd immunity or natural immunity may be more beneficial to stopping the dire consequences of Covid variants than multiple jabs of a vaccine which experimentally, chemically and permanently change the human immune system of which there are zero studies of the adverse effects of multiple jabs on the human immune system.

 

No, a “critical thinker” would first state a testable hypothesis and then research the data ensuring they are founded facts rather than wishful thinking

So, where is your data supporting your hypothesis that the “complications for Omicron are very mild in comparison to Alpha or Delta”

I for one would really really like to see the research backing that

Ooops where are my manners - here is the Google Scholar search results

https://scholar.google.com.au/schol...ch+omicron+severity&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1

 

Look, in November 2020, no one knew about the future path of Covid19, not even the critical thinkers.

Back then;

a. Our scientists knew Covid19 COULD mutate

b. No one knew about the effectiveness of our vaccines, especially against new variants.

Also back then,

a. Republicans believed that after a person has been infected with the virus, he/she was immune for life.

b. Several Republicans in this forum also believed the U.S. had already achieve herd immunity, and their belief was based on the following equation;

Unreported Covid Cases = 5 times more than reported cases.

Last, without science, thus, without hypotheses, theories, and a laws, there would be no technological advances. Thus, historically, our scientists have been critical thinkers.

 

For your info, I asked several PF members, mainly Republicans for an explanation as to why Canada’s number of Covid19 deaths per 1M pop has been significantly lower than the U.S., and all of them came up with the same reason; “Population density”

Thus, based on their common response/reason, let’s make a hypothesis;

When making comparisons;

IF the United States/Canada 9 to 1 population density ratio is an important factor to consider, then should NY and Texas 4 to 1 population density ratio be taken into consideration?

Note; a hypothesis generally begins with the letter IF, WOULD, and COULD.

Now, let’s ask the Republicans in this thread if I came up with a valid hypothesis?