Why Do Democrats Question Democracy?

Fake News. Are you truly unaware that more than one Court has declared the changes made by appointees in violation of the Legislatures law governing elections, illegal? In fact, a Court in PA just declared it Unconstitutional.

I meant Trunks, and it has not been found to be "untrue" we have video of them pulling them out from under the tables after they told the GOP observers that counting was ending for the night. Then when they left, they locked the doors and started pulling trunks of ballots our from tables. I do not believe that you are unaware of this, or that you haven't seen the video, it was widely shared on PF.

Because signature cards were separated from ballots before the identity of the voter was positively identified, there is no way to accurately audit, so, congrats, it was pulled off and you have Biden in the WH.

Your post is a rehash of the talking points we have heard for a year, a very large majority don't find your claims believable.

​

If you want to be able to claim that you won fair and square, then you also need to support efforts to ensure that voters are positively identified prior to casting a ballot, and small radical group with the Democrat party fights that tooth and nail, the most likely inference from that is that they want to be able to continue to steal elections; however, rank and file Democrats, like Republicans and Indies, want trustworthy elections. Look at those numbers. We'll have more trustworthy elections in 2022 and 2024 than we had in 2020 and it will be interesting to see what impact voting integrity has on election results.

 

Opinion polls are opinions not facts.
No federal court decisions have supported any of those claims.

The weakest argument a person can use us "fake news" or "biased source".
Everything I stated was fact. It may not change your mind but what I said was true.

 

For anyone that wants to look into voter fraud here is a website run by the Heritage Foundation that has researched voter fraud from 1986 through 2020. If it is biased it leans away from the "left" and the "main stream media". I would be curious to know what those that feel there was massive voter fraud in any election feel about their findings.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

 

This isn't about Trump, Jan 6th, or Republicans. This is about democrats attacks and questioning of democracy. Are you trying to say your excuse is that the other party does it to?

 

????????????? Democrats are trying to take democracy away and questioning democracy itself. Please refer back to post #1.

 

No we're not.

 

That is not an argument, but the following, is:

Yes, it's true, a nation can become un-democratic via democratic means.

Evidence provided on request.

 

Your opinion does not equal evidence

 

Evidence, please.

Placing arbitrary restrictions to the ballot which disproportionately affect urban areas is a good indication of anti-democratic values.
Dems want to do the opposite, so your claim against dems is false.

Trump is the most corrupt politician in history, and the most vile, most unworthy of the office, and a threat to national security.

He has done more damage to America than any president in history.

That is why we want to 'get rid of him'.

The framers did not intend on a 60 vote threshold for passing legislation.

 

There action is a reaction to Republicans' actions re. The Big Lie. But, sure, feel free to ignore the catalyst for their actions.

 

Yes, you are. You had Jill Stein, who had virtually no chance of winning, demand recounts from the 2016 election. You tried to get electors to be unfaithful to overturn a legitimate election in 2016. You created an insurance policy in case Trump won the 2016 election, lying to the courts to investigate Trump to overturn an election. You impeached Trump twice with no evidence. You are taking away American's first amendment rights and and getting social media to ban people who have differing opinions. You are firing people from their jobs and issuing government mandates and requiring papers like Nazi Germany did, you are rounding up and jailing peaceful protesters from the right who attended the Jan 6th protests, you want to get rid of the filibuster to have total power, you want to add blue states to the Union to consolidate even more power, and also want to add seats to the Supreme Court to consolidate even more power. And, you want to take Trump out of the picture, overriding American's who would want to vote for Trump so they can't vote for him, in other words, vote suppression.

 

AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO STOP US MU HA HA!

 

You had Jill Stein, who had virtually no chance of winning, demand recounts from the 2016 election. You tried to get electors to be unfaithful to overturn a legitimate election in 2016. You created an insurance policy in case Trump won the 2016 election, lying to the courts to investigate Trump to overturn an election. You impeached Trump twice with no evidence. You are taking away American's first amendment rights and and getting social media to ban people who have differing opinions. You are firing people from their jobs and issuing government mandates and requiring papers like Nazi Germany did, you are rounding up and jailing peaceful protesters from the right who attended the Jan 6th protests, you want to get rid of the filibuster to have total power, you want to add blue states to the Union to consolidate even more power, and also want to add seats to the Supreme Court to consolidate even more power. And, you want to take Trump out of the picture, overriding American's who would want to vote for Trump so they can't vote for him, in other words, vote suppression.

Anything regarding voting changed by Republicans was done through democracy using the democratic process. Why do democrats question democracy? Why are they already questioning the results of the upcoming election? I thought questioning election results was un-American? Why can democrats question democracy but Trump and his supporters can't?

 

I didn't provide evidence, I said 'evidence provided on request'.

Can you read?

 

So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying it is ok for democrats to question democracy because they believe republicans question democracy? Yet, another hypocrisy of democrats saying that they have more morals and take the higher road, even though they use the other side as an excuse to not actually do it.

 

Stop you from what?

 

No one cares about Jill Stein.

A few Bernie Supporters tried, but failed, noting that Trump's minions had similar schemes, Mark Levine preached about this very thing.

You don't even know what that means, nor do the two lovers who made that fleeting comment texting on cell phones.
That you'd even bring it up as some kind of counter argument is testament to your credibility.

Evidence, please.

There is tons of evidence. It was not even looked upon in the second audit.
And when your 'jury' are your senate all of whom are afraid of you, it's understandable they rule in your favor.

Apparently you do not have a clue what the amendment is, how it works, and to whom it applies.

Oh, we're bringing in Hitler now? Heil ****ing Hitler is it? Where is Godwin when I need him?

Give me a break.

The only persons being indicted are those for whom there is evidence of crime.

Then you must hate the framers of the constitution, who had no intention of having legislation forced only to pass with 60 votes.

PR is a good candidate for statehood. Did you complain when they added Alaska, a red state?
You were too young, but if it were to happen today, you'd be all for it.

Besides, Republicans currently have 26 states, to dems 24, so the ones who are into power clinging are republicans.

We just want to balance the scales, and your alarmist attitude is highly partisan.

But you did not complain when McConnell denied Obama a hearing for Garland, to consolidate republican power?
Did you complain when Trump appointed three federalist society picks for the Supreme Court, balancing it to 6/3 in favor of the right, to consolidate repub power?

A 6/3 right leaning court does not reflect American values.

That one or two justices can decide for 330,000,000 Americans, for their entire lives, is a fact in need of reconciling.

This isn't about power, this is about justice and fairness and accurately reflecting American values.

We want to take Trump out of the picture, of course, he is the most corrupt politician in history. He's also the most despicable human being ever to hold that high office, and he is a threat to national security. Any rational human being would agree to that point, the evidence is overwhelming.

But, as for voter suppression, that is a right wing thing. See the film 'Rigged' free to Amazon Prime members.

Yes it's true, it's entirely possible for democracy to vote for anti-democratic laws in order for one party to maintain power where they have difficulty winning voters.

Besides, gerrymandering isn't done 'democratically'.

We are challenging newly created laws which disproportionately and arbitrarily restrict access to the ballot in minority areas.

That's a valid reason.

Only when it's comprised of false allegations, lies, and misrepresentation of facts, particularly when the overall scheme is to subvert the 2020 election.

Sure you can, if the issues you are concerned about are legitimate.

No problem with that.

 

Putin claims to be democratically elected in Russia????

 

No I can't read..... That's how I'm responding to you, can you think?

 

You might have to put on that independentthinker cap and really do some 'independent' critical thinking if that's your take on my posts in this thread.

 

making rules to make it harder for people to vote or make their votes not count is not supporting democracy

 

pUTTING ANY OBSTALES IN THE WAY OF CITIZENS VOTING IS NOT DEMOCRACY.

 

Why do you think the founding fathers had to guaranty to the states that the federal government would not be in the form of a democracy?

 

Any laws passed by Republicans were done through democracy and the democratic process. Why are you against democracy?

 

On the national level we have no democracy, by design. We are a federal republic as guarantied to the States by the Constitution. Now how would you want to add democracy to the federal government how would it manifest itself? Why would it be better?