Most of the world neutral on Russia-Ukraine war

merely 'will' starve? but according to you they been already starving all these years?

the eu is to go into famine, actually.

 

Them not opening their stock market is a pretty big indicator their economy is undergoing some significant stressors — if you have to brain cells to rub together.

 

Their cult leader.

 

but Russia is not reliant on such weird stuff as 'stock market' ect.

most of her economy hides in 'grey sector' and so goes under the radar of markets.

 

Or, for a fair chunk of the world: "why didn't you care this much when you did this to us?"

Edit: like 5 minutes ago as well.

 

Do you trust a single Russian news source? Do you actually believe Russian or China news provides factual unfake news?

 

This also raises the moral question in that Americans have no right to sanctimoniously claim some kind of pompous superiority and say we're good & they're bad because everyone says so. Everyone doesn't say so. Most people in the world are willing to let this local dispute settle itself out.

 

OK, so the major Russian news sources are biased, shallow, and sensationalist. That does not change the fact that the major news sources in the U.S. are biased, shallow and sensationalist. Changing the subject from us to them does not excuse us.

 

You have a habit of making personal comments and bring nothing to the table.

You argue the sanctions have no effect, while Russian economy is in tatters. What motivates you to lie to yourself?

 

Heh!

S Africa’s Ramaphosa: NATO to blame for Russia’s war in Ukraine

 

S&P slashed Russia’s debt to junk and says there are already 30 corporate ‘fallen angels’ as a result of the war.
https://markets.businessinsider.com...anies-show-the-hit-creditworthiness-sp-2022-3
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has come with a heavy price for the government. Western sanctions have isolated it from the international financial system and choked off demand for many of its key exports.

Sanctions have cut off Russia's access to much of its foreign reserves, threatening to plunge the country into default as it could struggle to meet its foreign debt payments. The ruble has plummeted to record lows and the country's stock market has been paralyzed for weeks.

S&P Global this week cut Russia's credit rating to "CC", which it defines as "default imminent with little prospect for recovery." Four years ago, almost to the day, the agency awarded Russia an investment-grade "BBB-" rating.

It's not just the government that will struggle to raise capital on the global market. Sanctions have thrown the future of many of its biggest companies into doubt. S&P Global said this week it had made 121 changes to the ratings of companies that cited the Russia-Ukraine war, rising energy prices, or both as reasons. Of that total, 77 were Russian.

"In terms of creditworthiness, the Russian-Ukraine conflict has had the largest impact on banks, with 28% of total related rating actions," the agency said.

 

We seem to be doing that in regards to the civil war in Yemen. Civilians are being killed but we're neither sanctioning nor bleating about "War Crimes!" in Yemen.

I find it weird that our national morality is based on geo-location.

 

It's not morality.

 

That has always been the case. 5 million were killed in the Congo, and it barely made the news.

 

"Significant Stressors" .. was not the claim .. for those that have two of them cells you talking about... but, that said .. Stock Market is often not a great indicator of how well Economy is doing .. certainly not a direct corrolation. The Economy just prior to Covid for Example .. and during for that matter.

 

Unbeknownst to our media, even all Americans aren't all in on this thing. I mean I don't think anyone in this country is on Russia's side, but many of us have other things to care about. For example, I feel really sorry for Ukraine. But here's my care chart listed starting with what I care most about:
1. my family
2. my friends
3. my pets
4. all Americans
5. countries I hope to visit some day
6. Ukraine and Russia

Just being honest. No one cares about everything equally; if we did, we'd blow up and certainly lose perspective. Media doesn't seem to know that their people have other worries too. Let politicians worry about this thing. That's what we pay them for, right? They'll screw it up, but they aren't going to listen to their people anyway.

 

Don't be projecting your failings on to me mate - as I did not claim sanctions had "No Effect"

"What motivates you to lie to yourself"

Says the fellow telling the fibs

 

The economy prior to Covid was pretty much the same as it had been averaging in the past 10 years (2.3% GDP growth in 2019). Russia's economy, in the other hand, is headed for a total disaster.

 

Own your words....'mate'.

I said the sanctions are effective, as you were quick to disagree, which means you think they have no effect.

Are you now saying they do have effect aka are effective?

Which is it?

 

Agree. It's always been the case. Just pointing it out.

 

Every news source on planet earth is truly biased, shallow and sensationalist. They all have a personal agenda.

What it comes down to is how truly wrong Russian news sources tend to twist lies in comparison the rest of the world. They straight up lie about events that the rest of the world has true video knowledge proving it is a lie. The Russian people are truly being misled far worse than American people are because at least American people have the freedom to look at opposing news sources. That is the difference people like you tend to neglect.

 

I don't believe your posts claim. Most people around the world are totally opposed to Russia's invasion and destruction of Ukraine.

 

In case you missed it, the US has censored opposing news sources...and this has been happening for years....except lately they just flat out banned opposing Russian news.

So no, Americans don't have this 'freedom' you speak of.

If you would be so kind as to provide one or two examples of the 'truly wrong Russian news', I'd appreciate it.

 

Now some Russian fascists will get their brains blown up by the support Ukraine receives among Israel. This demonstrates how much they believe Pootins BS about Nazis in Ukraine.

 

My claim is not sanctions are not at all effective .. but that you provided no support for claim .. also saying you may be right .. so that you were not confused and claim I was saying sanctions were not effective at all...

But .. to no avail

You then make up a bunch of things and attribute to me.

1) You said sanctions were "Very effective" you then change your story - move the goalposts saying they are effective

2) You then proffer a completely made up and false statement saying "You think they have no effect" .. when I said nor inferred no such thing .. even stating you may be right .. simply stating you had not provided support for claim -

3) I made no personal comments .. simply stated the fact that you provided no support for claim .. accused you of pulling things out your backside/ "making things up" which you then proceed to do .. proving accusation correct.

4) "What motivates you to lie to yourself" -- . You were the one making things up about what folks said .. attributing these made up stories to others -- who is the one that is lying to themselves - projecting their own failings onto others

5) after all the above nonsense ..you finally proffered some support for claim. Whether or not your support showed claim true is moot at this point .. as what would be the point of saying something to someone who will then twist what you said into something else .. then present it back to you as reality .. It would truly be "lying to myself" - to expect anything coherent out of such an interaction.. so on that note .. Peace be with you .. Too da Loo