Peak Internal Combustion Engine Sales Behind Us

After reading your post there is absolutely zero common ground between you and me so there's no point in further discussion.

An example is free market capitalism absolutely means there are no regulations.

Your post to me seems more to be like cognitive dissonance I can't even address it because it's outside of reality.

 

An ICE, needs a starter and an alternator, as well as plugs and now coils.

 

Sure. No problem with that. ICE cars are WAY more understood by everybody who has ever owned a car.

For the general public that doesn't maintain their own ICE car, there is no excuse for EVs to cost more to maintain or fuel. ICE cars have way more systems that require timely maintenance. And, electricity is a cheaper fuel - right now a considerably cheaper fuel given price of gas today.

But, I certainly have no problem with the strategy of waiting to learn more about the actual performance and issues that this or any new technology actually deliver.

And, I don't believe that EVs are the best solution for every usage pattern today. For example, if one is towing a trailer for any real distance, the EVs that CAN tow end up with pretty short range. Plus, right now EVs are expensive.

 

No I've been a mechanic for the better part of 20 years and I've worked on all sorts of things it's typically not the engine and transmission in a conventional car that are the big failure points it's often electrical.

So an electric car has removed the two most dependable components and left you with all of the trash and that's all it is.

 

Gear boxes cost energy, even when not automatic. So do differentials.

 

So? I have a vehicle that's quite old I've replaced an alternator on it at the cost of $130.

So do you think it's wise in order to avoid having to pay 130 bucks every 10 or so years to replace an alternator that I should pay $1,000 a month for an electric car?

The fact that I can easily and cheaply repair it makes it infinitely Superior to one I can't.

And if an electric car has a software glitch and you have to take it to the dealership and they want to charge you five grand to repair it is that better than changing spark plugs every 100,000 miles?

I buy the fancy iridium spark plugs but the cars come with that these days they last 100,000 miles and so we're talking 70 bucks once every hundred thousand miles versus $1,000 a month for an electric car Smart money is still on the gasoline powered cars

 

ICE cars require oil changes, fuel filters and pumps, spark plug replacements, emission checks, cooling system hoses/pumps, distributors, and more brake pads (since regenerative energy braking means one doesn't actually step on the brake much).

One simply doesn't have to take an EV into the shop as much as is necessary for an ICE car.

 

This has to be about the car market in general.

If you happen to be an ICE car auto mechanic, that's a special circumstance.

What's this $1000/month charge on EVs?

 

Supply vs demand is important in any discussion of EV success rate or futures.

 

it's not that they're more understood it's that you're capable of having them repaired by someone other than the manufacturer.

I'm going to say this again and you're not going to understand it at all because the general public doesn't know anything at all about cars but I'm going to repeat it until you learn.

A car with a fuel powered engine has to have an OBD2 port that must be able to be accessed by a scan tool. Electric cars do not have this so you have no way of knowing what's wrong with it.

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For the general public that doesn't maintain their own ICE car, there is no excuse for EVs to cost more to maintain or fuel. [/QUOTE] this is the ignorance car manufacturers are salivating over.


Banking on this ignorance is the entire purpose of the electric car movement

You don't know how to maintain your car so therefore you take it to somebody when it needs work done and they'll tell you it's going to cost $500 to do this repair and you pay it because you don't know any better.

Or you go find another shop and see what they tell you well with an electric car you can't do that there's only one shop that will work on it and that's the manufacturer and then they come out until you find $500 or $5,000 you pay it or you're screwed.

You don't know enough about this to know what you don't know you're so insistent on being right you can't listen to reason.

You completely ignore experts with decades of experience in that field because you want to worship at this false idol of your electric car.

Personally I hope they take you for everything you want you deserve it.

then don't listen to somebody who's worked in the car industry for more than a decade that knows all about car manufacturers dirty little tricks to build more money out of you just do whatever you want you don't have to take my advice.

I already know way too much about it to ever fall prey to that scam if I can't have I gasoline card car anymore I will have a horse before I buy an electric car.

Electric vehicles are a scam by car manufacturers took you out of money into trick you into being their Cash cow.

If you want to be taken advantage of I've said my peace I've given you my warning and when you get raked over the coals my conscience will be clear.

 

No it isn't that special circumstance. It's everybody on the planet that owns a car with an internal combustion engine built after a certain period.

If you have a car with an internal combustion engine you have any choice what mechanic you take it to because any mechanic can work on them.

If you buy an electric car you do not because no mechanic can work on them you are tethered to the dealership and I've worked in the industry I've worked in dealerships as a mechanic and those are the most incompetent mechanics I've ever come across.

And they look for excuses to overcharge you for things.

I don't have to go to the dealership even if I'm not a mechanic myself I can go to a different mechanical or even a freelance mechanic and they can repair it for me not so with an electric car you can't do that.

You don't know this about the industry I do you're not listening to someone with a greater experience than you.

That's called arrogance.

 

OK, I don't want to get into an economics discussion here, especially since it isn't necessary. I will point out that free market capitalism does allow for regulation, though there are limits of purpose.

Anyway, wrt the issue of building power plants, they ARE being built today, because the price of electricity and other standard capitalist analysis justifies the business case.

 

so you want to be ripped off by a car company to avoid a little maintenance? That's your business.

Electric cars have suspension, various electronic control moduals that you will have to go to the dealership and pay whatever they want to repair.

I'll take changing sparkplugs ever 8 years to avoid that. But you do you.

So it's a magical machine that never breaks down and lasts forever?

Have fun with that.

You simply do not live in reality so there isn't any point trying to talk to you about it. You have no idea what you're even talking about.

 

I don't think you should enter into an economic discussion. So we'll leave it at that..

 

Supply is miniscule. So as long as that's the case they won't be dumped to rot in fields.

 

With the shitty build quality of Tesla that's these very bottom of the list of electric cars I would even consider owning but just slightly above BMW Mercedes or Jaguar.

 

That is a nonsensical approach to analyzing cost of maintenance.

EV cars today are measured to have lower maintenance costs than comparable ICE cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32494027/ev-vs-gas-cheaper-to-own/

That site breaks out maintenance of two models where there is an ICE version and an EV version.

The overall analysis points out that the ICE version is cheaper when you add the cost differential of the new car and limit the ownership period to 3 years.

That is, an EV version IS cheaper to drive, but not enough cheaper to pay back the cost differential within the three year period of this analysis.

Also, the Car&Driver analysis adds in depreciation that is inexplicably high. Today, depreciation of some EVs is nowhere near what they project for their chosen models.

 

Let them be fooled into thinking EV's are a simple as single phase electric motors.

One close lightning strike and they'll be shopping for a new EV.

 

Like this:


I haven't heard of this being especially bad for EVs.

 

I cited EV maintenance analysis.

If you don't like it, then pony up with some evidence.

 

I said close, not direct. One close strike and your little EV will be kaput.

 

EVs don't need transmissions because of their efficiency.

 

An EV doesn't need any of that

 

Interesting. Do you have a cite on that? I haven't heard of this.

 

Of course it can.