Cassidy Hutchinson. A true American hero

the hate from the left has nothing to do with the facts presented about trump in these hearings

the witnesses have ALL been from team trump...

from Bill Barr to Cassidy Hutchinson...all worked for trumps Whitehouse

the GOP had more than 4 years to prosecute or prove their case against Hillary and failed

the hair lipped guy from the carolinas started in on Hillary with Benghazi and the GOP never stopped..and the hair lip now works for fox news entertainment channel

and BTW hillary testified for 11 hours before a GOP committee

this committee has members of both the GOP and DNC..

and every witness has been from the GOP...

trump supporters are the group suffering from TDS

 

The committee controls who testifies. Given a pre-conceived conclusion, they only select witnesses who are going to say what what they want to hear- and every major figure has those who will stab them in the back, no where more true than in politics. It's what we used to call a "dog and pony show"... when you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

Especially true with Trump because he didn't play the political game; he was applying business management policies- and a lot of politicians don't want to be held to performance standards, or be loyal to a boss who calls things what they are. Such people aren't about justice, they are about winning- and right or wrong has nothing to do with it for the left. IF it did, most of the crap we're dealing with today would never have happened.

Tell yourself what you want to hear. Problem with that is in the long run- it doesn't work. You probably haven't noticed it's not working, but denial is getting closer to the end every day.

 

...and what is it about " claiming that an offense committed by another is similar" do you not understand? Did you, or did you not claim that another offense was similar?

You seem to think that there is a special exception for calling out both sides but there is not. Unless perhaps you have a definition that is not included in the dictionary?

 

no one thinks republican will ever hold Trump accountable, but history must be told regardless, the country needs to know the truth

 

Maybe he could tell her that she needed some dick like @WalterSobchak recently said about Laura boebert?

How utterly convenient you had nothing to say there

 

This is not about Republicans. It was never about Republicans. It is about whether you can convince the middle. Since the early days of the Russian Collusion hoax, it has been about convincing the middle. You have failed at every turn, and will continue to do so. Truthfully, with the exception of political junkies like those of us in a political chat room, hardly anybody even knows this nonsensical pointless investigation is even going on. Nobody cares. Because you think this is so impactful, I suspect that deep down you think that Republicans are secretly worried but feigning indifference, but we are truly are not worried even slightly. You folks come in here and declare almost daily that "now you got 'em". It is delusional. It is comical.

 

dems tried to impeach him, republicans said we know he is guilty, but we don't care

 

Oh yes, the impeachments.

Same thing applied. Those two things were so monumentally silly, and had such zero chance of success, that it never even moved the needle of worry. Your task is not to convince Republicans, rather it is to convince the middle. You have failed, and will continue to do so.

Do you realize this or are you still operating under the delusion that you are going to convince the middle and finally bring him down? The country is falling apart and your idiots are pursuing political nonsense. Its not a good look, and it does nothing to help you in November.

Did you see the CNN interview with Boris Johnson? Was absolutely hilarious.

 

both sides knew Trump was guilty, but the right did not care...sad!

 

The discussion is the middle. You failed to convince them. What a shock! You will continue to fail.

You cant blame the middle whom were the actual targets, so instead you go to your trusty blame the Republicans trope.

Did you see the CNN interview with Boris Johnson where he completely dismissed your party's 1/6 fear mongering and claims that Democracy almost died etc.? Jake Tapper was dumbfounded, and tried still saying "it was pretty bad" while Johnson basically called it nothing. Looks like you failed to convince him too. I guess that is the Republicans fault as well eh?

 

Yes, and it needs to go into the history books. When all is said and done, 100 years form now, Trump will assume his rightful place as the most despicable president in US history, who almost brought down our democratic system and installed himself as a dictator. And the people who prevented him from being successful in his quest need to go into history books as having the integrity to stand up for what was right. Lessons from history have to be told, not forgotten soon because we don't want to hurt Trump fans' sensitive feelings.

 

nope, they were convinced and choose to do nothing anyways

 

The same people who want to hang Trump want to allow Hillary to be free- and worse, thugs and criminals too. There is no moral compass in their house. None.
There are no flawless people or sides- but the left, meaning the democrats and liberals of today- are the undeniable source of the majority of the problems and the chaos that America finds itself in today. That's not accidental, it had to be choices made with either intent to create these issues with total indifference to the damage they would do- or a pandemic of some kind of brain disease that affected only those of that political bend.
These are not the democrats of the traditional party of the past- those people had different views, but also had values, self respect and love of country.

 

I typically do not address this concept because most on here that push it are amongst the bombastic posters with whom one cannot have a legitimate discussion.

Do you HONESTLY believe that? Or are you just posturing? I see you as a rational person, and I find it hard to fathom that you are being sincere.

What Trump tried was long-shot legal maneuvering. If it had been successful, it would have been subject to judicial review, and the court would have decided whether that was constitutional and that would have been a long shot at best. Probably more than anything, Trump was trying to delay things in ordfer to get support for an investigation. This is not dissimilar to when Gore was trying to flip a few electors in the electoral college to give him the victory in 2000. If he had succeeded, that too would have been subject to legal review. I dont recall anyone accusing him of destroying democracy and declaring himself dictator.

These things are legal maneuvering, NOT an attempt at a dictatorship. In truth, if both of them had succeeded, I doubt that either of their legal maneuverings would have passed legal muster, but it is certainly their right to avail themselves of every legal outlet. Presidents are shot down in the courts all the time, and that does not make their efforts therefore illegal. It just means they thought they could make a winning legal argument for their position and they failed.

Trying to act like this is a coup is silly. I sincerely find it hard to believe that you REALLY believe that claim.

 

Trump tried to cheat to win an election, using a foreign power... our founders would be turnign over in their graves at how some are defending it

 

You didnt want to address what I said so just figured you would respond as if I had said something else?

 

And yet by your own admission you supported him.

 

So- you missed the part which proved the dossier was actually conceived, manufactured and paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC (Democratic National Committee), didn't you?
That's the conspiracy behind the attempt to make it appear Trump was using a foreign power. It was a campaign strategy that dismissed all legal and moral values- to win by character assassination, because thy couldn't win on their own merit. Those sucked into the Trump-hater hole don't care about the legality or morality of the means used, nor have any feeling of guilt in accepting that as a legitimate tactic. I don't think they give a moment's thought to what they does to the nation they live in- and will eventually do to them. These are the pawn in the game, the sacrificial elements being used to gain positions of power over all citizens- and the pawns were the first. Pawns don't know they are pawns; that's what makes them easy to manipulate, and useful. Like shills at a carnival, working to get the rubes into the rigged games.

 

The secret service agents in the car with Trump are prepared to testified that Cassidy is lying.

 

-Calling state election officials or secretary of states and pressuring them to find more votes for him is not just legal maneuvering
-Working on sets of alternate electors is not just legal maneuvering
-Sending a mob to the Capitol to prevent the certification of his opponent as president is not just legal maneuvering
-Cheering on his mob to hang Mike Pence because he didn't do Trump's bidding is not just legal maneuvering
And that's just the tip of the iceberg

You are usually a reasonable person. I bet you, if ANY Dem candidate had done even ONE of those things you would be outraged and call for legal consequences.

So, to the question, yes, I DO think that Trump is the most despicable president in US history. I didn't like GWB and Reagan either, but they were saints in comparison to Trump. The history books will show this, just wait and see. The history books will also go into detail as to how regular, hard working, decent Americans allowed themselves to be conned by this man almost to the point that they would die to get Trump reinstalled into the WH.

You know, the comparison with Hitler is tired. However, I am German by birth, so I know a bit or two about how someone like Hitler got into power. Ordinary Germans at the time weren't bad people, they would have thought putting people into gas chambers would be abhorrent. However, they were brainwashed by the propaganda, and Hitler was a master of it.

Now, Hitler was a dangerous ideologue, Trump, in contrast, has no ideology, he is only in it for himself. However, Trump has the same skill as Hitler in terms of making people follow him, using the same techniques of "us vs. them" and hate for the "others", for example immigrants. That's why Trump is so dangerous, because his followers are impervious to the truth and reality, they literally have replaced loyalty to the country and the constitution with loyalty to the man. They would have happily overturned the election based on Trump's whim and celebrate Trump as an unelected president.

Why? That's the question the history books will have to answer. There will be 1000s of treatises and articles written about Trumpism and how regular and good people, like yourself, could be conviced to follow such an obvious con man, to the point of being willing to throw our democracy into the garbage bin.

 

wrong again.

the committee does not control who testifies....the committee decides who it WANTS to testify

this committee wanted mark meadows , the traitor flynn, steve bannon, jimshorts jordan and a few others that have also refused to testify

sadly, all politics have become a dog and pony show...and yes trump sure has alot of backstabbers in his orbit..I wonder why??

agreed trump did not play the political game.. he made his own rules and thumbed his nose at the normal traditions of a presidency

even at the very end trump did not follow the traditional changing of the guard ..

and trump was hardly applying business like management at the whitehouse

he was applying game show management...don forget ..trumps companies went bankrupt many times but his game show was a success

even before trump got into politics most people knew he was a scumbag

the information being revealed in these hearings is not surprising to anyone

the surprise of these hearings are the number people that have rolled over on him

even the most loyal trumpers are hanging him out to dry rather than commit perjury

trumps a scumbag

sadly some people prefer a scumbag president

if trump was capable of being a polite gentleman many of his followers would leave him for a different scumbag

who will be the next GOP scum to rise since trump is all but gone??

my guess is Ted Cruz, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, little Marco Rubio. Tom Cotton ect; ect;, all have their eye on the power

alotta governors will also be putting a hat in the ring.

Deathsantis, Abbott, Noem , Younkin all will be peddling lies and BS while shooting for power

 

My question wasnt whether you find him despicable. That is a subjective term, and you can label him as you wish. What I am interested in is solely the declaring himself dictator claim.

He was trying legal maneuvering. Nothing more, and nothing less. When Gore tried flipping electors in the electoral college to give him the victory, despite your assertion above, I most certainly DID NOT call for legal consequences. If he had succeeded and gotten enough to flip to give him the victory, I would have argued vehemently that it was not Constitutional and I would have been apoplectic if it was upheld in court, but I would not have wanted him arrested for trying to avail himself of what he believed was his legal rights.

Everything Trump did was under the belief that it would stand up to Constitutional/legal muster. You can argue all day that you think that he would have been wrong and that he would have been shot down legally, but that doesnt change the fact that he was not trying to declare himself dictator where laws do not matter. That claim is simply not true, and therein lies the folly in the whole insurrection hysteria. You act as if he had succeeded in delaying the certification, that all of a sudden the Constitution would be out the window and that we would cease to be a Democracy and Trump would therefore be President perhaps for life. That belief truly does not make any sense. Such a thing would require a military. You have been listening to this nonsensical rhetoric for far too long. How can you not see that you are being manipulated?

 

Cassidy did NOT claim she saw Trump grab the steering wheel..

she claimed the secret service agents told her he grabbed the wheel..

most men in law enforcement are pu$$y hounds..

she is a decent enough looking 25 year old fertile woman

my guess is the secret service agents could have been trying to impress her with their story

 

Sure, we cried wolf a few times.

But, the wolf did finally come.

 

Yea, we should have figured out by now that there are some people who will support Trump no matter what.

Our failure is that we overestimate the moral compass of our fellow Americans.