Kherson offensive?

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Your claim was false, as I've demonstrated multiple times.
     
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    It was the comparison of the US's Monroe Doctrine to the Russian's idea of their "near abroad." And then inexplicably Jack Hays began arguing that the Monroe Doctrine was really a defense pact with the Western Hemisphere.

    And as you can see, he's sticking with it.
     
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  4. Jack Hays

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    And you continue to spout your falsehood. "Defense pact" appears in none of my posts.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    You lost.

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    What you said was that "it was collective defense of newly independent former colonies against their former masters"

    It was not, but enjoying your desperation. This is the most you've actually posted of your own words (rather than quotes or links) since you've been on the site. Amazing!
     
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  7. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's because it was collective defense, as demonstrated by the reactions of Latin leaders at the time, the words of the Doctrine itself, and subsequent scholarly work, as posted here and linked for you. The claim of a "pact" was your fiction.
    You lost.

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    Sorry false.
     
  10. Jack Hays

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    Just another of your unsupported claims.
    You lost.

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  11. Jack Hays

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    FYI.

    ". . . The three main concepts of the doctrine—separate spheres of influence for the Americas and Europe, non-colonization, and non-intervention—were designed to signify a clear break between the New World and the autocratic realm of Europe. Monroe’s administration forewarned the imperial European powers against interfering in the affairs of the newly independent Latin American states or potential United States territories. . . . "

    Monroe Doctrine, 1823 - Office of the Historian
    https://history.state.gov › milestones › monroe


    The three main concepts of the doctrine—separate spheres of influence for the Americas and Europe, non-colonization, and non-intervention—were designed to ...
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates

    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 21

    Click here to read the full report.

    Key Takeaways



      • Two days of shelling caused widespread damage to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
      • The Russian government is continuing to escalate control over the Russian information space.
      • Ukrainian intelligence reported that Russian special services are planning false flag attacks on Belarusian critical infrastructure in an attempt that would likely fail to pressure the Belarusian military to enter the war in Ukraine. ISW continues to assess that it is unlikely Belarusian forces will enter the war.
      • A Ukrainian official acknowledged that Ukrainian forces are conducting a military operation on the Kinburn Spit, Mykolaiv Oblast.
      • The November 18 video of a Russian soldier opening fire on a group of Ukrainian servicemen while Russian troops were surrendering has served as a catalyst for further division between the Kremlin and prominent voices in the Russian information space.
      • Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine amid worsening weather conditions.
      • Russian forces continued ground assaults near Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
      • Russian forces continued conducting defensive measures and establishing fortifications in Kherson Oblast south of the Dnipro River as Ukrainian forces continued striking Russian force accumulations in southern Ukraine.
      • Russian mobilized personnel continue to protest and desert as their relatives continue to publicly advocate against mobilization issues.
      • Russian occupation authorities intensified filtration measures and the incorporation of occupied territory into Russia. . . .
    Russian forces continued to defend their positions along offensive lines and reinforce rear areas in Luhansk Oblast with demoralized troops from the Kherson withdrawal on November 20 and 21. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (UK MoD) reported that Russian forces continued to prioritize constructing defensive positions in eastern Ukraine.[28] Russian official sources claimed that Russian forces are “steadfastly holding the defense” along the Svatove-Kreminna line on November 20 and 21.[29] Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that Russian forces also fortified defenses by building dragon’s teeth along the frontline in the Svatove direction and near Popasna, Luhansk (about 47km south of Kreminna).[30] UK MoD and Ukrainian official sources reported that Russian forces continued to reinforce rear areas in Luhansk Oblast with demoralized, ill-trained mobilized reservists who likely came from the Kherson withdrawal.[31] UK MoD also reported that the Russian offensive line in eastern Ukraine is likely a vulnerable operational flank for Russian forces.[32] LNR official Rodion Miroshnik reported on November 21 that the defense situation for Russian forces in Luhansk Oblast has “clearly deteriorated” over the past week.[33] The reports support ISW’s previous assessments that the Russian military is attempting to improve its defensive and offensive capabilities in eastern Ukraine by injecting mobilized troops from Kherson, but that the Russian military has failed to achieve any significant operational progress due low morale and lack of skilled personnel.[34] . . .

    Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian force and equipment concentrations in southern Ukraine on November 20–21. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on November 20 that Ukrainian forces struck Russian manpower concentrations near Polohy, Kamianka, Mykhailivka, and Enerhodar, Zaporizhia Oblast, wounding over 100 Russian soldiers and destroying 20 pieces of military equipment and two ammunition depots.[57] Ukrainian Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov stated that three explosions occurred at a Russian base on the northwestern outskirts of Melitopol in Vesele and implied that Ukrainian forces struck the base.[58] Ukrainian sources reported that there were explosions, possibly from Ukrainian strikes, in Skadovsk, Novotroitske, Chaplynka, Askaniia-Nova, Rubinavka, Mala Lepetykha, Kakovkha, and Hornostaivka — all in eastern Kherson Oblast.[59] The Ukrainian General Staff stated that Russian forces in unspecified areas continue to suffer losses and transported 100 wounded soldiers to a hospital in Skadovsk.[60] . . .
     
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    Alleged Russian Torture Sites Found in Kherson. Ukrainian officials have identified four sites in Kherson city where they believe Russian forces had tortured people, according to a statement from the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office. Russia had allegedly set up “pseudo-law enforcement agencies” in the city, where Ukrainian officials claimed they uncovered different torture devices. Moscow has rejected any allegations of abuse and torture against soldiers and citizens. Reuters
     
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    Are these the same ukie officials that lied about the mass graves?

     
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    ....with Military Police officers standing a few hundred meters back, weapons drawn and blatting any poor bugger that tries to run away....:D
     
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    No one lied about mass graves except the Russian mouthpieces who denied them.
     
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    In his account of the Italian army in WW1, Hemingway wrote they were called "battle police."
     
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    Although I appreciate your desperate Googling, nothing you've googled and linked has supported your position. Keep trying buddy!
     
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    The high price of SCALP, amounting to $ 1.4 million, will not allow Ukraine to massively equip its Su-24 bombers. However, even a few missiles, launched from Ukrainian aircraft, can strike at Russian facilities in the deep rear. According to Polish experts, the installation of modern high-precision missiles on the bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is only a matter of time. This will allow Ukraine to hit targets located at a distance of 300 km from the front line.

    The Scalp missile is a stealth missile and is able to escape radar detection as it flies at a very low altitude.​

    https://militarymonitoring.com/pola...oviet-su-24-bombers-with-nato-scalp-missiles/

    Sounds like a nice ATACMS alternative..
     
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    What's matter....Bill....can't handle the truth?

    You know yourself this is the case.....it's a case of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing...." I can't hear you...tra LA LA LA ":).
     
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    It is....a few of these deep in rear positions and vatniks retreat 100 miles or so.
     
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    Sadly, you have descended to mere denial, which all can see. It has occurred to me that you may have not have understood my point from the beginning.
    You lost.

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