Jury finds Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud scheme

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    For starters, it is not the company reporting income from benefits here. It is the company giving benefits and not reporting it as income under the Internal Revenue Code, which means that it will also not pay the property FICA and Medicare taxes through its payroll. Second, the Internal Revenue Code states that all income is reportable unless specifically excluded from the code. The Fringe Benefits has its own rules and limitations as well. But it is still fraud it one knowingly and intentionally did not follow the rules of the code. And my link shows that. You can read Publication 15-B for a general overview or you can look at 26 USC Subtitle A, Chapter 1, Subchapter b, part III for more information on the specific fringe benefits.

    Second, yes, for corporations, it is going to be the tax liability plus fines. I think the fines are in upwards of $1.6 million under state law. And since state tax returns follow federal tax returns, it won't be too long for the FEDs to get involved now.
     
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    No bleach, but disinfectant

    ...
    After a Homeland Security official mentioned the ability of disinfectants like bleach to kill the coronavirus on surfaces, Trump remarked on the effectiveness.

    "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Trump said during his daily briefing at the White House. "Because, you see, it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So that you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...e-it-s-dangerous-experts-rip-trump-s-n1191246
     
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  3. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    No superiority here, just the plain facts.


    Does the term corporate personhood mean anything to you?

    You may want to look at Trustees of Dartmouth College vs Woodward in 1819, and Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific in 1886, in which both cases incorporated the 14th amendment into the term corporate personhood. There may be other recent ones but that is for you to educate yourself here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood#Case_law_in_the_United_States

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/history-corporate-personhood

    But then again, any qualified lawyer will tell you this, even Alito and Thomas BTW.

    People opinioned that he was guilty on this forum, but not the jury itself. And people have opinioned that Hunter Biden is guilty, like you for instance, but no jury has convicted Hunter Biden of anything. You are playing fast and loose on this and I pretty much set you straight on the legal side of the matter, which is the only thing that truly matters, doesn't it?

    Just because you call it a strawman does not make it so, And personally, I don't think you know what a strawman argument is, or much of anything else for that matter.

    Again, I spoke on the legal side of the topic of the Trump Organization being found guilty of tax fraud. You guys got into the conspiracy theory of a "witch hunt" and other illogical conspiracy theories about the company and why it was found guilty. I even said that DJT was mentioned in the closing arguments by the Prosecutor, which is an incontrovertible fact without any political affiliation whatsoever. And the jury looked at the facts and determined beyond a reasonable doubt the company was guilty, mostly because of their star witness, the former CFO of the company who made a plea deal, and that his former accounting firm said that the ten years' worth of books cannot be verified for its accuracy.
     
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    this has more to do with Fox News Policy not to have on staff a person related to someone who is running for President. Since DJT is running, and she is family to DJT, it was a no brainer. It is actually a good policy IMHO and should be faulted as such.

    Personally, Laura should have resigned the day her father-in-law began to run again.
     
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    This forum or any internet anonymous forum, is not related to any laws.
    These forums are mere opinions of mere humans. No legal consequences happen from these opinions.
    Don't confuse law with anonymous opinions.
     
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    The CFO reports to the CEO. It is the CEO’s job to ensure that the CFO couldn’t do what Weisselberg did.
    That couldn’t happen in my organization.
     
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    I don't watch tv so I wasn't aware of it but agree it sounds like a good policy. Thanks for expounding.
     
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    Trump may or may not be guilty. That is being looked into.
    But he is clearly negligent and a poor businessman .
     
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    Please note that I didn't say you want him to run.

    My comments have been that he apparently didn't know what is company was doing.

    I see that as a problem for a CEO and certainly for a president.
     
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    I'm calling out the blatant hypocrisy of the left.

    Once you provide the link to the quote of mine that I opined Hunter is guilty, then I will respond to this post.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not confusing anything.. I'm calling out hypocrites on this forum..
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that is an opinion.

    Opinions are like *******s, everybody has one.
     
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    Why do you think owners of such business hire very smart and highly qualified financial managers to be the CHIEF Financial OFFICER. Do you know what being an officer of a company means. It means you operate on your own on behalf of that owner with full authority for the financial decisions. Trump is NOT a financial or tax guy in the LEAST. It was a microscopically small part of the company business, some benefits this guy was hiding on the reporting and his tax returns. The fine to the company is meager $100k for each year.
     
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    I've seen it happen in companies big and small so spare the righteous attitude.
     
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    You are the one that has turned this into “liberals are scared of trump”. I was simply attempting to educate you as to the general feelings that are actually involved towards him.

    If you want to move back to the OP we can — that is that trumps organizations are guilty of fraud
    like his charities
    like his school
    like his administration

    Noticing a trend
     
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    I won't ever engage with any of <whatever you call them>. I've never kicked people out of my life but I had to not be around anybody that puts him above our country and Constitution.
    Yes. It was NOT a felony when he took office.

    He is the one that changed it to a FELONY in 2018 [Hence, why what happened prior to that is irrelevant but they take all his bullsh!t as canon].

    https://www.salon.com/2022/08/11/si...y--now-it-may-come-back-to-haunt-him_partner/
    I don't know what that addresses but it sounds like their MO.

    I would guess that is probably not true. They all have <well you know what I'm mean>.
    Treason = death penalty [It won't happen. I would absolutely vote "yes" as a juror (which is 180 over a lifelong stance against it). He could never live long enough naturally to serve all the time he should if our country wasn't so f*cked up right now.

    P.S. Stock up on some plates and ketchup. Zelensky was named Time's "Person of the Year". Countdown to meltdown....
     
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    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    And, his...

    high heels
    ghostwritten books
    bank statements
    accounting records
    PACs
    skin color
    whatever is on his head
    fake gold coins with his ugly image
    "stable genius" = erratic idiot
    "billionaire" = ~$ thousand-naire
    "pro-US" = for sale to highest bidder
    "Protestant" = atheist
    "Pro vax" = anti-vax
    "Art of the Deal" = Grifting for the Steal
     
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    No, you weren't simply attempting to educate me. You were personally attacking me instead of refuting what I wrote two posts ago. It is my opinion that liberals DO fear Trump rising to power again, hence why they have already convicted him without even his having the benefit of being personally indicted for felonies.

    Notice your own trend. I've never moved away from the topic. I gave my opinions. Cease attacking the poster and attack what I write. I already told you and I will say it again, Trump is guilty of no crimes, and until the fat lady sings, your opinion is noted but it doesn't mean you are correct.
     
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    That's what presidents have to do, too.

    If he can't keep his corporate tax situation under control, what's the chance that he'll make wise decisions on America's tax situation??

    Of course, this wasn't ever considered to be one of the more serious of Trump's crimes.
     
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    ok thanks for you opinion
    Like *******s every has one

    If you feel attacked the report button is at the bottom right of each post.

    If you want to return to the topic stop trying to pull it off topic

    Deal

    None of what I posted is opinion.
    Each of those entities have had high level executives convicted or the organization itself was fined or shut down.

    There is a difference between opinion and fact no matter how many times you repeat it
     
  21. GrayMan

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    UV blood treatment actually.
    https://riordanclinic.org/what-we-d...ure that,as do your red and white blood cells.

    Hope this technology advances.
     
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    Good, as they should be.
    I see all partisans as being hypocrites. This forum and in the real world.
     
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    So this is an admission that bleach drinking was not made to be a cure, by anyone.
    Isn't that what I was posting?
    Or did I miss your point? You think trump wanted people to drink bleach? I showed that isn't the truth.
     
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    I remember a doctor responded to him about uv cleaning inside the body when he asked. Someone already came up with the idea.
     
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