Explain the Focus on AR-15s and Mass Shootings

Edison wasn't lying about his goals or his objectives. Big difference

 

Good point.

 

So f-ing what?? Children are not the property of the school, state, or government, and while I may be repeating myself, parents have the absolute right to know everything about their children. As for your (and the press's) attacks on Ronny D, read the law and you will see how wrong you are. As a matter of fact, the law only codifies what was, in the very, very recent past, just simple common sense, that nobody even questioned.

Why? Because you don't teach sexual subjects to 5-year-olds. Period. Deep down inside, you know that, but your fear or someone taking the old fart who has ruined the country out of the Oval Office has forced you to deviate from what you know is the right thing.

Your fears of children being beaten because they are gay are way, way, way overblown. Any parent who would become abusive because of that, either already is abusive, or would just find some other excuse in the not too distant future. I'm only 53 years old, and the world has changed so dramatically from when I was 13, 40 years ago, and for the better. Gays are treated with respect, as are blacks, and any other 'oppressed' group you would like to bring up. The latest poll I could find (2022) showed that 71% of Americans are now in favor of same-sex marriage, which is about the same amount that were opposed to it in the mid 90s, including Biden, Obama, both Clintons, and virtually all other high visibility dems at the time. But that doesn't translate to mean that 29% of parents are gonna pound the snot out of their kids upon finding out they are gay.

You, and so many others who think as you do, seem scared of your shadow. You probably hesitate to even go grocery shopping out of fear of being caught in a mass shooting. Yes, the chances of that are less than zero, but not by much. If you live in a State that has widespread concealed carry, which will be all of them once Courts start enforcing the Bruen decision properly, many to most of them will be stopped before they have barely begun.

But, wait, you say, how come I don't hear about those mass shootings being stopped??? For the same reason you don't hear about no traffic accidents in the newspaper. If it bleeds it leads, and a story of a mass shooting that didn't happen because an armed citizen intervened is not something that today's media, or half of our elected officials, want to be known or spoken about, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

The bottom line, though, is you can continue to ramble on about shooting this, and deadly ammo that, and scary guns the other, but you are now in a world where there is nothing, repeat absolutely nothing that can legally be done about any of that!!!

Which is how it was intended to be since 1791. And now, it's settled law, with a few rogue hold out jurists who are not doing their jobs, or following orders of their superiors. But that will be fixed in the not very distant future. I expect within say the next month, possibly less, the District Court in CA is going to rule (again) that CA's assault weapon and standard capacity magazine bans violate the Constitution. That will likely be followed a few months later by the 9th Circus finding some pretzel-twisted ignorant, intentionally deceptive and ignoring precedent overturn of that decision, which will set the stage for SCOTUS to put the issue to bed once and for all.

Within the next two years, expect a ruling that says point blank that such restrictions are, in fact, illegal and Unconstitutional. Then all you'll have left is howling at the moon and posting more nonsense on forums.

I'm looking forward to that day.

 

Lol. You continue to engage in a half assed comparison between seat beat and gun regulations. You argue both are NOT necessary.

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Lol. No sorry to tell you Adolph and Benito did not pass any seat belt or safety laws. They were not too concerned about it. Adolph was concerned about killing people not keeping them alive. No Benito was not worried about handling guns safely when he invaded Ethiopia.

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https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance

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Correct. But it is a right for law abiding persons to own and carry firearms in public for the purpose of self-defense. In this case 'firearms' means 'all bearable arms', and include every revolver, semi-auto pistol, bolt-action, rack-action, semi-auto rifles, and a lot of other things I'm not thinking about as I type this. It means that the very premise of this entire thread is moot. There will be no bans of AR-15s or any other weapon on the various lists that have been posted here.

Ever.

And once NY, NJ, and a few others get smacked down for attempting to make virtually every place outside of your home as a 'sensitive area', where weapons are legally forbidden, soon NY, NJ, and CA will be like FL, TX, and other states with a long standing history of allowing free persons to carry in public.

In the subway, whether it's the kind with trains, or with sandwiches, at the grocery store, in church, at a bank, in a hospital, almost all places will be legal because there is not a 200+ year history or tradition of them being off limits. It's that simple.

 

Neither are we.

 

Not pretending.

 

The pandemic, the defund the police movement, the deep divisions caused by the Democratic party due to the election of Trump, DAs who refuse to prosecute violent crimes, copycats, boredom from sitting at home doing nothing, and the knowledge of criminals that they can do what criminals do without fear of repercussions.

Throw in some statistical manipulations (calling 18 & 19 year-old gangbangers 'children', and ignoring infants under 1 for the sole purpose of making the stat look bad, which you have fallen for hook, line, and sinker), and the continued dividing of the country over Trump, racial issues, calling people fascists, suppression of freedom of speech, uppity college kids who think they have the right to silence people they don't like, and I could continue, but won't.

Any other questions?

 

It's neither an accusation, nor is it mine. It's a fact. You may not like it, but that doesn't change it, and while you are entitled to your own opinions, even one's as stupid as what I've seen you express, you are not entitled to your own facts. Period, and end of this discussion.

 

I do! He and his dad are mowing the yard at my late father's house while we are trying to get it ready to sell. They do good work, and if he needs something, I make sure he gets it. Good guy!

 

There are two reasons.

1. The left is gradually trying to take guns. Hand guns are definitely not exempt from this, but it's harder to make them out to be a boogie man despite them being used in so many more killings.
2. Democrats commit the majority of murders in this country, and they're done with handguns.

 

All you got out of that post was that my home is an ammo dump??? Try reading comprehension classes, it might help you.

 

To start with your premises as usual again selectively ignores how the guns are accessible to "gang members".

You pretend the guns magically appear from nowhere before they get to criminals, gang members, mass shooters. You refuse to acknowledge the nexus or connection between gun sales to the public and how guns then end up with criminals.

Here is what you deliberately ignore and refuse to discuss in relation to the nexus between how criminals including mass shooters get access to guns and gun sales first and then to the black market precisely because you have no idea how to repudiate this nexus:

https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-trafficking/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html

Your stale NRA restated position ignores how guns get on the street in the first place. Poof they just appear.

You have selective amnesia as to the nexus between gun sales and the black market and illegal obtaining of guns is because if you acknowledged it then you would have to acknowledge gun regulations when tightened have been shown to reduce weapons getting to that black market for circulation.

You don't give a **** how legitimate guns get into illegitimate hands. Your perspective begins and ends with YOUR right to own any weapon you want, period.

Here is what and others have responded with in past threads and responses and they ignore and try pretend they do not know:

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-reduce-gun-deaths/

Ironically and I stated it earlier and is explained above, laws designed to regulate who has firearms are in fact more effective in reducing shootings than laws designed to control what types of guns are permitted and this is precisely why persons such as myself who argue for gun regulations to be tightened argue regulations as to who own guns as well as banning specific assault weapons BOTH need to be improved in conjunction with many other methods of regulation.

Here is a direct response to the NRA argument that gun regulations don't reduce homicide or crimes:

https://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm

Again all one can do is when the same NRA talking points are raised is to counter them:

http://guncontrol.ca/issues-and-facts/myths-and-facts/

Of course zero gun regulation advocates will continue to circle back and repeat the same myths over and over because they have no clue what to do when one repudiates their myths.

The issue is about doing everything we can to reduce the likelihood of a weapon getting into the hands of a criminal so they do not kill someone.

No tighter gun control laws will not prevent so called law abiding citizens from owning weapons although it is true the banning of specific weapons would prevent law abiding citizens from owning specific weapons but not all weapons.

Zero gun regulator advocates don't just refuse to acknowledge how guns get into the hands of criminals but they also won't acknowledge certain weapons are more dangerous than others and were designed facilitate mass murder or fatality because of the calibre, velocity, amount of bullets released within a specific time frame. accuracy and type of bullet used.

 

Lol, no. No weapons were designed to facilitate mass murder what an hilarious fabrication.

 

Bull ****. People in favour of gun regulation are not simply the left. You engage in an attempt to claim only "the left" wants gun regulation.

53% of Americans favour stricter gun control.

Here is a more accurate breakdown of who supports what with gun control laws then your blanket stereotype:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

Your divisive language trying to stereotype anyone you disagree with as a leftist I would suggest comes from the legacy of 4 years if Trump name calling that you have bought into.

Left? Your fellow American citizens of all political affiliations are worried. The children dying are not left or right. What the hell is wrong with you that you can not acknowledge your children are not "leftists" and their right to live safely has nothing to do with partisan politics? Those are children.

Why do you zero gun regulation advocates refuse to acknowledge the value of the life of children and innocent victims who get shot and murdered. How is caring about the safety of them and first responders only something "left"?

You don't discuss the actual issues. You come on hear to exploit the deaths of children and the safety of the public with petty partisan name calling to deflect from your inability to acknowledge the blood that flows on your streets is neither left or right, its blood man.

 

You guys don't value the lives of the children. There's a Uvalde worth of children dying every week in Chicago, Washington DC, and Detroit. You don't give a **** about them because you can't exploit their deaths politically.

 

I'm still fascinated, and completely confused at the idea that there are magic calibers and guns with special muzzle velocities.

Calbers exist between .22 and .50, and pretty much everything in between. There may be smaller or larger, but I'm not aware of them and if so, they are rare.

Different firearms differ in their muzzle velocities only slightly, except in the case of special purpose ammo like the .300 blackout, which is a sub-sonic rifle round. Generally speaking, handguns have a muzzle velocity of ~1,100 fps, and rifles are ~3,000 fps. Yes, that makes rifles more powerful, after all F=ma, but that applies to ALL rifles, not just special magic ones.

Even in identical caliber, there are many different choices from your good old full metal jacket, to jacketed hollowpoint, frangible, anti-personnel, and so forth. Some are more lethal than others, but they are also less risky to innocent bystanders because they tend to STAY in the body of the targeted person (hopefully a bad guy), instead of blowing through and hitting someone behind that person, like might happen with FMJ rounds. Still, stupidity abounds, and even concealed carry license holders in NJ (which are damn rare to begin with) are prohibited from using anything other than FMJ, for reasons I cannot comprehend.

You and others are making so much noise about the AR-15, but it's a .223 caliber (which is about as small as it gets), and while it's available in different weights, they are lighter than even a 9mm handgun round. But, muzzle velocity, F=ma, so a .223 out of a rifle is going to pack a bigger punch that a 9mm out of a handgun. But a 7.62 is going to be even morel as is a .3030, 30-06, and many other very common rifle rounds. In short, there is nothing special or magical about a .223.

Just as there is nothing special about a semi-auto, as the speed is 100% dependent on the skill and experience of the shooter. Some are fast, both at shooting and reloading, and some are slow. However, revolvers are just as fast in the same shooter's hands, and a bolt action (which are becoming rare) is not far behind.

Guns are guns, and in the wrong hands or handled carelessly, they are and can be deadly. The most deadly school shooting in history was done with the 2 lowest powered firearms money can buy, a .22 pistol and a 9mm pistol. Ok, that may be #3, as a .380 is a little less powerful. Same exact same size, but lighter, less propellant, and generally a shorter barrel.

There is no such thing as a magic gun.

 

What are you doing about them?

 

Less than you. I'm sure you've shared something on your Facebook page about it.

 

Not on facebook.

 

So you're saying you haven't shared anything on Facebook about how outraged your are about mass shootings in schools using weapons of war?

 

What part of "not on facebook" don't you understand?

 

So we've done the exact same thing about the shootings son.

 

well if that was true, you all would be pushing for laws that actually crack down on criminals and keep them in jail longer, rather than criminalizing currently legal and objectively harmless activity

 

Citing Everytown for gun information is akin to citing the Klan for Black contributions to US society. The bolded part is dripping in illogical nonsense. It's gun banning by steps. When a ban on Semi auto rifles (used in less murders than knives) fails to work, people like you will demand more and more bans

Can you answer this question. If someone is not deterred by the punishment imposed for mass murder, how is the punishment for violating a woke imposed gun law going to deter that same person?