Explain the Focus on AR-15s and Mass Shootings

most of us want better laws-we on the right want criminals punished more severely. You on the left want to hassle law abiding citizens and pretend your bullshit gun control laws will deter violent felons

 

Nope.

 

how can we ever stand up to such a brilliant and well supported response?

 

Its simple, if someone isn't caring in the manner that you think they should then their not caring at all.

 

what I care about is defending the constitution I swore to protect and gun banners are enemies of the constitution, domestic

 

No they aren't.

 

yeah they are-the constitution protects the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. Gun banners are trying to abrogate that right-that's sedition.

 

Yep, doesn't say WHAT arms or ALL arms. Sorry.

2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose:

 

well the same guy who put that DICTA in the Heller decision was talking about things like Nukes and mortars. Semi auto rifles-the ones that you gun banners pretend are the cause of evil were clearly protected by Heller, If you read his dicta he talks about a limit based on"whatever purpose" Clearly you cannot carry a weapon for the purpose of committing a felony.

 

Ah yes another day, more penis and castration anxiety and more NRA recycled isms.

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Please provide your sources to substantiate who the "left" is you identified and how you know these specific persons are trying to take your guns away from you.

2. Please provide the statistics and evidence for your partisan claim Democrats commit the majority of murders in the US.

3. You again repeat the illogical reference that because the majority of handguns are used to murder people regulating specific weapons should not be done. All you have done is indicate if anything certain handguns should be banned or stricter control of handguns is needed.

Time and time again you anti gun regulators repeat the same tired NRA canards-guns don't kill people bad guys do; since the majority or murders are done with handguns, we will ignore when assault weapons including assault hand guns are used in murders and refuse to discuss why specific guns including specific hand guns are more likely to be used to kill, specifically how mass murders at schools show a direct correlation to the use of the AR 15.

 

This just in I saw Bernie Saunders try kill someone...no no no not with a gun....his breath.

See here is how it works. Leftists want guns taken away but they also want to kill you with a gun. They have everyone fooled but anti gun regulators who realize this is a leftist conspiracy to cut off their penises.

That about summarizes it. Thank you.

 

1-School shootings ARE minimal...there is a .000000167% chance that on any given day a school shooting will occur at any given school. Putting armed guards isnt really the answer...better hardened security and better police response times as well as allowing teachers and administrators to exercise their rights are the answer.
2-You 'people' DO use dead children as props. Its sick and pretty ****ing disgusting. People in this thread have already admitted they dont give the first **** about 41,000 dead 'children'...they only care about the 55 dead children over a 7 year span that they can exploit to push their agenda. Like I said...sick...right?
3-WHat about the rape comparison bothers you? Idiot leftists insist that the answer to gun violence is for gun owners to capitulate and give them more gun control, KNOWING gun owners and legal gun ownership isnt the problem. Yo9u 'people' **** yourself about 'the children'..."dont you CARE? Why wont you give up your rights, you MONSTERS!!!" But YOU think its a bad comparison to expect you to give up your dick, assuming you had one, to prevent the 200,000 rapes that occur? Look...we both GET it...you arent going to rape people. Awesome. Im not going to shoot people...mmmmmkay? SO if you ACTUALLY gave a ****, you would acknowledge that and focus your efforts on the people that ARE the problem.

But you 'people' wont do that....will you.

 

What is the MATTER with you? Dont you CARE about women? Dont you want to prevent rape?

Look...you are safe...ok? I haven't seen any evidence that you have anything to worry about anything being chopped off in the first place and no one would FORCE you to...yet...assuming you had one...which I will take your word for because you can call yourself whatever you want. But the analogy is the same. You 'people' constantly pee yourselves and demand that 170 million people give up their gun rights...to target crimes committed by NOT those 170 million gun owners.

Yeah...its pretty ludicrous...isnt it?

 

What is the matter with me? Why the deflection. I did not come on this thread to discuss my penis and worry about anyone wanting to take it away from me lol. I think you have me mixed up with Vince Mack.

As for your sarcastic reference to women and rape it of course goes hand in hand (excuse the coincidental pun) with your penis references and might I suggest your ridiculing the issue of sexual assault and women does not establish any credibility in what you pose, just the exact opposite.

You again use a pee reference and repeat I want to take your penis away and now inflate yourself to be synonymous with 170 million gun owners. That need to puff yourself up after making this thread about you and your penis to now being the penises of 170 million gun owners is noted.

It is also noted you are oblivious to the fact that of those 170 million gun owners some may have vaginas and might have guns because they fear being sexually assaulted. Who you see any irony in that? You?

Lol. You? Hell no. psst, you know Ted Cruz is transgender. Seriously. I would look at his beard. I would carry a gun if I were you.Don't trust him.

 

Why? If those posts contain the proof, they are the BEST way to show the proof. Whether the post is old or new has no bearing on the facts being FACTS.

Your post is such complete nonsense that it's obviously an excuse to avoid looking at facts.

 

You might notice I didn't criticize the facts. I criticize cherry-picking them. Only reason I can think of anybody doing that is because they wish to promote a racist agenda.

 

You used to mail order machineguns through the mail cash on delivery no id required.
No school shootings issue then chief. I wonder why?
Want to know what was an issue when they banned you from doing that, and every other time gun control is instituted in the US? Lynchings of ethnic minorities increase markedly post gun control.... EVERY. TIME. https://reason.com/2022/09/08/a-new...southerners-access-to-guns-reduced-lynchings/

You're literally removing rights and talking about confiscating my property on pain of death or imprisonment for the crime of me not harming anyone and rather some random jackass doing so. Use your brain.

No 'better' background check would've caught the last two unless you're going to stop them because they expressed they thought they were the opposite sex to their physical parts.
Come off it. You want to stop the shootings that occur at the softest target filled with the most vulnerable persons imaginable? Give it the same level of security I just had to go through to evict some ******* who couldn't pay his ****ing rent IE armed guards and a ****ing metal detector.
You've complained of that in this thread. You're literally saying our children don't deserve the same level of purposeful protection a bloodsucking lawyer and their shithead landlord client receive when evicting an indigent person and making them homeless. Its disgusting that you balk at such a basic thing as security for the vulnerable.

No one is asking you to IGNORE legal gun owners. We're pointing out you already have us on double secret probation for crimes and torts we didn't commit and putting on us on triple secret probation isn't going to help. It didn't help when you put us on double in the first place, tripling down isn't going to work.
Instead take the most BASIC and COMMON SENSE step imaginable: HARDEN. THE. MOST. COMMON. TARGET. WITH. BASIC. SECURITY. JUST. LIKE. COURTHOUSES. RECEIVE.
Nice fat old deputy sitting there watching the door and working the detector. Someone walks up to the doors with a gun? Button gets pushed, lock down occurs, pistol comes out of holster and fire is returned.

 

No kidding -- who doesn't shoot a magazine or two out to 50 yds at each range session?
High-velocity 9/10mm rounds and red-dots make it almost too easy.

 

I always finish with 2 magazines at max distance for any range I'm at. Its really enjoyable to improve your skills on such a challenge that seems so insurmountable at first.

 

You again repeat your trivialization of children deaths by funs, Read 1 above then read 2. You accused me and others that disagree with you of using children as a prop and yet you trivialize their deaths in 1 then use them in 2 as a prop to suggest anyone who is concerned about their safety and death is sick. You see no contradiction in that or any problem in saying to people who care about the safety of children that this makes "them" sick and you then use the term "you people" an extreme generalization to refer to anyone who disagrees with your references to the death of children or gun regulations.

Then you repeat in 3 your repeat your analogy equating gun owners to men who will have their penises taken away if there is gun regulation and tell me to focus on people that are the problem and ask me why I have a problem with your penis analogy which you repeat again.

I am and that is what gun regulation is trying to do and actually its specifically why I respond to you- because you are part of the problem. The fact you think your gun is a penis I am trying to take away is a problem. You are not referring to rape prevention. You are ridiculing women and rape and equating gun control to cutting of your penis. I already responded to that pathetic analogy.

Now you state people who care about the death of children by shootings are "sick" is a problem. The fact you use a sweeping generalization entitled "you people" to label anyone you think disagrees with you is a problem and I will ignore your attempt to parrot Alex Jones and specifically focus on your trivialization of gun deaths as they relate to children and unlike you, I will not inflate you to be "150 million gun owners" or "you people". I am very specific to make it clear I address you and do not assume you represent anyone else, not even the NRA unless they come on this forum and say you betcha Vince Mack is the man.

Here is why I have a problem with your reference to the death of children.

i- in 2023, there were 17 deaths and 20 injuries on school grounds in the US-those children have names, their parents have names, the other children in their class room have names, the first responders, teachers, principal, school staff and members who live in their community have names-those people are not numbers you show-you deliberately ignore them and when you do that, you insult them and you exploit their pain by refusing to acknowledge it-you not I by ignoring those people and what we can do for them-uses them as a prop-it turns them into a zero-you communicate they are zero and not worthy of any acknowledgment-yes I have a huge problem with that;

ii-I repeat the same comments as above flowing from the deaths and injury of children and the above and all other victims of gun homicides not just for 2023 but for every year of your country's existence.

My problem is you deliberately cherry pick and distort the killing and injury of children by guns deliberately and ridicule those who have witnessed or been impacted by it. Here is what you deliberately ignore:

a- gun-death rate for children is nearly five in every 100,000
b-the above rate was flat for more than a decade starting in 2000, and most years fewer than three in every 100,000 children were killed by guns but in 2014, the rate began to rise, and by 2020 guns became the leading killer of children in the US.

Now unlike you I am going to be specific as to what you deliberately trivialize and I provide these sources for the info in advance and tell people to go to this article:https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/gun-violence/facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/

1. New England Journal of Medicine

2. U.S. Centers for Disease Control

3. New England Journal of Medicine

4. Washington Post

5. U.S. Department of Education and Secret Service

6. Journal of Urban Health

7. American Academy of Pediatrics

8. U.S. Secret Service

9. Contemporary Pediatrics and The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Pediatrics

10. U.S. Centers for Disease Control

11. The State of America’s Children

12. National Council for Mental Wellbeing, Medical Director Institute

13. U.S. Centers for Disease Control

THIS IS WHAT YOU DELIBERATELY IGNORE

a- every day 12 children die and 32 are shot and injured (see 1 above)
b-guns are the leading cause of death among American children and teens. 1 out of 10 gun deaths are age 19 or younger (see 2 above)
c-firearm deaths in the US occur at a rate more than 5 times higher than drownings (see 3 above)
d-since Columbine in 1999, more than 338,000 students in the U.S. have experienced gun violence at school (see 4 above)
e-there were more school shootings in 2022 (46) than in any year since Columbine (see 5 above)
f-in 2022, 34 students and adults died while more than 43,000 children were exposed to gunfire at schools (see 4 above)
g-an estimated 4.6 million American children live in a home where at least one gun is kept loaded and unlocked (see 6 above) and early half of all parents with a weapon in the home wrongly believe their children don’t know where a gun is stored (see 7 above)
h- in the US, in regards to 4 out of 5 school shootings, at least one other person had knowledge of the attacker’s plan but failed to report it and the Secret Service and Department of Education found that 93% of school shooters planned the attack in advance (see 5 above)
i-almost all mass school shooters shared  threatening or concerning messages or images-more than 75% raised concern from others prior to the attacks and bystanders saw warning signs in most documented active shooter cases (see 5,8 above)
j-the Secret Service and Department of Education found that 93% of school shooters planned the attack in advance (see 5 above)
k-children living in poverty – urban and rural – are more likely to die due to gun violence than their more affluent peers (see 9 above)
l-about 1 out of 5 gay and lesbian youth have been threatened or injured with a weapon on school property (see 10 above)
m-black youth are four times more likely to be killed with guns than their white peers(see 11 above) and hildren of color are far more likely to experience campus gun violence and its more than twice as much for Hispanic students and over three times as much for Black students (see 5 above)
n-90% of teenagers killed in an act of dating violence were girls (see 13 above)

 

Do you not see the issue? Children 19 or younger? That sentence doesn't pop an immediate red flag? No bullshit detected?
The study you cite looks at persons 1-19 and calls them 'children'. It adds the 18 and 19 year olds and removes the 0-1 year olds. Why would someone do this? To pad out the stat.
How does it work? 0-1 suffer the least incidents period, ERGO they would lower the average. So they have to go. 18 and 19 year olds commit disproportionately more crimes than any other demographic, are more likely to be in gangs than any other demographic. Criminals? More likely to be victims of crime. Most gun crime victims? Criminals themselves. Disproportionately so.

But if I play with the stats and call them "children" and look at you with the big anime eyes you'll do anything I say.

 

I offer these further web-sites if people genuinely care about how gun shootings impact on children:

https://www.cwla.org/the-impact-of-gun-violence-on-children-families-communities/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

https://www.kff.org/global-health-p...earm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

https://www.kff.org/other/issue-brief/the-impact-of-gun-violence-on-children-and-adolescents/

https://everytownresearch.org/issue/child-teen-safety/


The attempt to deflect from the gun regulation issue to trivialize children's death from guns is odious.

The issue as to tighter gun control is about reducing the likelihood of guns ending up in the hands of not just killers of children but killers of anyone something Vince Mack will not deal with. He deliberately deflected from the issue by trying to reduce it only to an issue about children's deaths and how the death of children from guns is trivial and not worthy of consideration. He did that and in so doing chooses to trivialize and say the deaths of children when we discuss gun control is "sick" or any reference to it must be ignored because Vince Mack isolated a statistic he removed from its full range of statistics which present another story other than the one he presented.

All some of us can do is counter these stale attempts to misrepresent statistics by cherry picking them and removing them from their full context is to show the full range of statistics people like Vince Mack know of and will not discuss.

 

Reality isn't voting for Democrats.