Explain the Focus on AR-15s and Mass Shootings

No I am not. I responded directly to the words of a poster. If you think his words are off topic address him.

1-The semantic argument as to what to call an AR 15 is a deflection by those who downplay mass shootings. We all know the deflection technique-engage in a nonsensical debate as to whether an AR 15 is deadly.

2- Your comment " There are plenty of other threads (que Golem) on whether or not the fairy tale of removing all the guns would work." is both a false representation and non sensical. Trying to tell me I must ignore what people say on this thread because you can't rebut it is transparent. Next show me the words of Golem or myself on this and any thread or response where we stated our position was to remove ALL guns. Neither of us stated such an absolute position.

3. Now I respond directly to your agenda which is to trivialize mass shootings.

You stated:
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"Or, you could discuss the focus on mass shootings since there are so few people killed in mass shootings in the grand scheme of things. "

Thanks for dictating to me what I am allowed to discuss lol, which is what in fact I was previously discussing. I will now address you trying to write off the mass shootings in the US of its civilians by other civilians as a minor annoyance and specifically these words: "so few people killed in mass shootings in the grand scheme of things".

According to statista as of December 6, 2023, 75 people were killed in mass shootings in the United States in 2023. A total 1,149 victims were fatally injured during mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and December 6, 2023.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811504/mass-shooting-victims-in-the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/#:~:text=As of December 6, 75,1982 and December 6, 2023.

Tell the loved ones of the innocent dead this is no big deal. One mass shooting is too many. Where do you get off dismissing any of them as meaningless in the grand scheme of things? Grand scheme of things? What the hell does that reference mean to justify dismissing mass deaths of any number? Go on finish it. In your grand scheme of things what constitutes sufficient numbers to have you then subjectively declare them significant enough to think about and be concerned about? Must be something sitting there playing God and defining arbitrarily when and what people should be concerned about.

Let us be crystal clear. Your agenda is to use the no. of mass shootings to deflect from gun related deaths. No more no less.

"For example in 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were accidental, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)" 1

1-https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Suicide by guns you ever head of it? For many of us a primary concern about gun regulation is that it is defective in how it screens who is eligible for gun ownership something you will try deflect from and this is why:

"Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,32, while 43% were murders (20,95, according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (45."

2- source of reference see 1 above, Pew Research

Also our concern about gun regulation comes from the fact that 81% of murders and suicides involve a
gun:

"About eight-in-ten U.S. murders in 2021 – 20,958 out of 26,031, or 81% – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. More than half of all suicides in 2021 – 26,328 out of 48,183, or 55% – also involved a gun, the highest percentage since 2001."

3-same reference to Pew in 1 above

So your attempt to deflect from why many of us question the effectivity of gun regulation in protecting the public by deflecting to trivialize whether an AR 15 is deadly or whether there have been enough innocent people slaughtered in mass killings for you to subjectively care about the dead and their loved ones is intellectually dishonest not to mention callous and presumptuous.

As of Dec. 7, 2023, at least 40,167 people have died from gun violence in the U.S. that year, according to the Gun Violence Archive – that is an average of almost 118 deaths each day.

There were 199 mass shootings in the US in 2023 as of May 2023.

According to Statista handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 166 different handguns being used in 116 incidents between 1982 and December 2023. These figures are calculated from a total of 149 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings.

For those of us concerned about mass shootings we have never hidden or downplay the use of handguns. We have never come on this forum and denied the above. The concern has always been about ALL mass shootings something you deliberately deflect from to try draw people into some bull crap semantic argument as to whether an AR 15 is an assault rifle.

All guns of any kind are deadly as you are well aware so the question is how do we protect the public from assuring they do not get into the hands of criminals and mentally ill or unstable people. Period.

You not me refuse to acknowledge the above issue by deflecting from it by trying to falsely rephrase what we said in past posts.

You falsely change it to state those of us with that concern want all guns taken away when all the responses clearly state gun control is about gun regulation and absolute gun prohibition is not the issue we raised as to what drives our concerns.

The lame attempts to trivialize mass killings can be found here:

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...n-lobby-perpetuates-following-mass-shootings/

The co-relation of the AR 15 to mass shootings is known by all of us:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-force-mass-shootings/

The co-relation with less gun regulation and higher death rates from guns is a fact:

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroo...us-states-with-more-relaxed-gun-control-laws/

A huge issue you will not discuss is why so many weapons used in mass shootings were obtained legally which is why some of us have concerns as to gun laws and whether they effectively screen out specific people:

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/28/mass-shooting-nashville-guns-legally

Finally if you want to pretend an AR 15 is a hunting rifle and was not designed to be used in combat because of its rapid fire capabilities as many do go ahead and play your fairy tale game.

Mine is reality. I have seen gun shot fatalities and I know the difference between an assault rifle and hand gun and what guns can cause what injuries. Even a 22 in the wrong hands, even a damn BB or pellet gun in the wrong hands can kill. Obviously the easier it is to get shots out the more likely one of them strikes someone and that is why rapid fire weapons are more dangerous.

Go on go ask medic, paramedic, firefighter, nurse, physician, police officer or soldier or people that properly train people how to use weapons. He or she is going to tell you whether you point a pellet gun, bb gun, hand gun, AR 15, fake gun at him or her, their life is in danger and they have to make split decisions. As someone who dealt with dead bodies I have my perspective as well.

All the professions above will tell you an AR 15 is not a hand hand gun in terms of spraying fire and the amount of bullets coming out.

I care what police say. I care what paramedics, medics, soldiers say. I care what emergency room physicians and nurses say. I care about the children, the loved ones, the innocent not your fear of having your gun taken away which is not the issue.

 

Thank you for making that post so long and tedious that few will read it.

 

Ever hear the phrase “my body, my choice?”

 

Neither handguns nor AR-15's are capable of "spraying fire". An AR-15 fires one bullet for every trigger pul... like most rifles, handguns and shotguns.

What is an "assault rifle". Fifty states have 50 different definitions and none of them are similar to the military definition, which is technical in nature and has to do with sight alignment in relation to the barrel.

What does "co-relation" mean? Did you mean "correlation"?

 

I'm going to edit for clarity.

All guns are deadly. The topic of this thread is why people get more upset about AR-15s and mass shootings. Not downplaying anything, just putting things in perspective without feelings.

you don't have to say it. Threads like these:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rol-whats-stopping-us.614441/#post-1074496086

They say it for you. Using stipulators like, "Clearly they won't stop ALL shootings, but they would be huge progress. So why is it taking us this long?" Then, the first line in his list of ideas is, you guessed it, "1- Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon ban. The purpose of this thread was for you guys to explain why you focus so hard on a gun that, in terms of killing people, is one of the least deadly weapons out there. You still have not done that.

So those are your numbers. Out of those thousands of gun related murders, about 1200 were due to "assault weapons." That's 3% https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Again, I ask, why focus on the use of only 3%? I'm ot trying to trivialize anything. One murder is horrible. We should put our limited resources to work in ways that actually make the most difference. Wouldn't you agree?

BS. When the shooter doesn't use a scarry gun, it's hardly covered by any news agency. Even worse if the shooter isn't a white male. But, keeping the thread on topic, out of those 40,000 dead people, less than 200 are involved in a mass shooting.
https://www.statista.com/statistics...the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/
That's half of one percent. Yet, that's the BIG TOPIC that gets the news ratings. Again, it's absolutely horrible but it's not downplaying to want to know why the most energy is spent on the least valuable area that we could improve upon.

Absolutely not relevant. You should have whatever makes you happy as long as you don't hurt anyone with it. It's usually only talked about because of the calls by ignorant people to ban it when they don't know what they are talking about.

So what if it kills less people, why do you care?

I care about the children, the loved ones, the innocent, not your desire to whittle away the rights that we were born with. If you truely cared about lowering gun violence, you would focus on what would make the biggest impact and that is simply getting criminals off the street.