This is not just about abortions

Hmmmm notable how the OP nor anyone else in this thread actually discussed WHY the judge issue the ruling and what is the ruling actually about. It's not about the fact that the drug is used to kill an unborn baby.

 

I'm not a Republican or a conservative, and my point stands: both Republicans and Democrats are woefully and maddeningly inconsistent when it comes to defending and securing our individual rights in general and the right to self-proprietorship in specific.

You asked who created this chaos, and it's an excellent question because this chaos existed long before the SCOTUS cherry-picked its way to the Dobbs ruling (a ruling I have openly opposed).

I wasn't a big fan of the man, but the late Antonin Scalia made a comment shortly before his death that should have concerned everyone in this country:

The language in our laws doesn't matter anymore.

Of course, Democrats didn't care because it came on the heels of a miscarriage of justice that suited them and their agenda, but that is where your chaos began - when the rule of written law died in this country. Grasp the implications and face the brutal truth: We are no longer a constitutional republic governed by the rule of written law - we are a banana republic governed by the arbitrary fiat of government officials, be they legislators, presidents, judges and/or bureaucrats.

You sound like a Democrat, which means you want more of this. More government, more chaos, and it's all fun and games and schadenfreude until the chaos turns around and bites your side on the ass.

And by the way, permit me to remind you what the subject of this thread is:

This is not just about abortions.

 

Today the theocratic tendencies of the GOP far exceed those of the DNC. Given actions of the latter, for example the set and setting of Biden's speech last year, the DNC and their policies come across as downright Satanic.

 

As I understand it, the judge did not ban the abortion pill (though maybe it was the appeals or supreme court that corrected the judge), but only restricted it to the process the FDA approved of many years ago

 

The Republican-leaning conservative Supreme Court has opened a can of worms with its Roe vs. Wade reversal decision, and now they do not know what to do with the contents of the can.

The problem began when a Trump appointed district judge in Texas overruled the scientists, doctors, and administrators of the FDA. The religion based decision of the conservative judge is at odds with the thousands of doctors in the American Medical Association.

Two Trump appointed judges on the Fifth Circuit overruled the district judge, but placed heavy restrictions on the abortion pill.

Complicating the issue is another district judge in Washington state who ruled that the FDA must continue to make mifepristone available. The decisions of the two district judges and the Fifth Circuit are mutually exclusive.

The ball was handed over to the Supremes who caused the mess in the first place, and they are not sure what to do with it. According to their own schedule, they were going to rule on the issue today, but they kicked the can down the road extending the nationwide mass confusion.

NPR reports, "The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday extended until Friday at midnight an administrative stay in an ongoing lower-court fight over the FDA-approved use of the abortion pill mifepristone, ensuring that the drug would continue to remain widely available for now.

"Mifepristone is used in about half of all abortions nationwide. It has been used by millions of women since it was first approved in 2000, and major medical organizations say it has a strong safety record. The drug is also commonly used to help manage miscarriages.

"Its FDA approval was challenged in a lawsuit last year by a coalition of anti-abortion groups and doctors.

The Times reports, "That the court did not meet an earlier deadline suggests there may be disagreement among the justices in its first major case about abortion access since a conservative majority in June upended the constitutional right to an abortion. It could also indicate there may be a dissent in the case."

Mifepristone has been in use for over 20 years after four years of intensive research. Its fatality rate is smaller than penicillin and Viagra. Evidently, Trump's judges didn't know this or religion got in the way of their common sense.

The forum's Republicans are saying little or nothing about the issues. Congressional Republicans are silent on the abortion issue they created with their appointments. Strange, Republicans caused the mass confusion, and now they are silent. That says a great deal about the Republican Party as a whole.

 

I don't like the 6 week restrictions, 13-15 or so seems like a better fit.

DATA SHOW PRO-LIFE IS A WINNING ISSUE FOR GOP: Despite the incessant warnings in the' Lying Fake News 'Media that Republicans will doom their 2024 prospects by taking a strongly pro-life position, there is significant survey data indicating being pro-life, while accepting some reasonable exceptions, is the winning ticket. I have the numbers and the analysis in this morning’s Epoch Times.'

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'Republicans should emphasize the contrast between their favoring a few reasonable exceptions on abortion, such as the health of the mother and rape or incest, and Democrats’ wanting no limits at all right up to the moment of birth.'

“If Republicans stay in that range, heartbeat to 15 weeks, with those exceptions, then they will have 70 percent of the American public with them,” he said. “It is absolutely amazing—it depends on where you draw the line. You have a working majority of the American public if you just say legal in the first trimester or until a heartbeat is detected, with those exceptions.”

'polling points to “about a 12-point swing” in the GOP’s favor when Republicans talk about protecting human life versus being defined as being for banning all abortions.'

'11 governors in competitive races in 2022 who had taken strongly pro-life positions, such as promoting the heartbeat bills, were victorious. “If you talk about it from a point of conviction, you win,”

“In the 2022 midterms, governors who signed ambitious pro-life legislation into law and never flinched politically, despite running in competitive states, came out on top. Even up against Democrat darlings who were very vocal on abortion.”

 

What is interesting is that Republican leaders in Congress will not talk about the Republican position on abortion and the strict restrictions in Republican states..

The subject is taboo.

 

You changed the subject completely. You say you are not a Republican, but you act like one.

This is not about politics in general. It is about the decisions made by Republican appointed judges on abortion and their overruling the scientific research done by the FDA, thus endangering every medication approved by the FDA. The forum's Republicans and Congressional Republicans do not want to talk about this matter.

And neither do you.

Much like the forum's Republicans.

 

Au contraire. What's the title of this thread, again?

This is not just about abortions

I agree with you - this is not just about abortions. It's about the broader issue of individual rights and the rule of law. The abortion issue is just one aspect of the broader issue.

I'm showing you the broader picture, but you don't want to look because Democrats have been appallingly inconsistent and hypocritical on this matter. Perhaps, it's time you all did something about that besides calling the Republican kettle black. That would be most refreshing and much appreciated.

I guess you're going to see what you want to see, but I'm not a Republican, and I don't act like one. Does this look and sound like a Republican to you?:

Is there a right to abortion, and if so, where does the right come from?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-if-so-where-does-the-right-come-from.599459/

Granted, it's been a while and my thread was 38 pages long, but I don't recall seeing you support my position and argument on this issue. Did you?

I agree that it's primarily about the judiciary and the other issues I've mentioned (individual rights and the rule of law), but as you inadvertently pointed out partisan politics and ideology are involved.

And for the record, I oppose the Texas judge's decision.

No, you're unwilling to see the broader picture and acknowledge the Left's inconsistency and hypocrisy.

 

Finally, the conservative Court made the right decision.

As things stand now, pregnant women not living in Republican-held states are in control of their health, and the FDA's scientific research cannot be overruled by Republican chosen conservative judges.

NBC reports, "The Supreme Court on Friday allowed the most commonly used abortion pill in the U.S. to remain widely available.

"The court blocked in full a decision by Texas-based U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk on April 7 that invalidated the Food and Drug Administration’s longtime approval of mifepristone and handed a sweeping victory to abortion opponents.

"Two of the nine justices — conservatives Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito — said they would have let part of Kacsmaryk's ruling go into effect.

"The court's decision means women can still obtain mifepristone by mail, use it at home, and use it up to 10 weeks into a pregnancy, as litigation continues in the lower court. The generic version of the drug, made by GenBioPro, will also continue to be available.

"The case raised questions over the court’s pledge last year that it would leave abortion policy to the states and the federal government. (Not a federal judge in Texas with deep religious views)"

The FDA remains in control of its scientific research and administration of medicine, not federal judges.

 

I oppose the ruling of the judge. But can you source the claim Republicans want to end the FDA.

 

Good news and the SCOTUS got it right (imo).

So much for the hyperbolic claims you made in the OP.

 

Republicans on the Hill are overjoyed with this decision. If the Supremes had ruled in favor of the judges they had appointed who had overturned the FDA, the consequences would have been horrific.

Republicans had created this debacle, and now they want nothing to do with it. When was the last you heard a Congressional Republican talk about abortion?

You haven't.

 

Tell me, what did I get wrong in the OP? Be specific. No generalizations.

 

No response. Making baseless accusations is typically Republican.

When called to account, they disappear.

 

You know people do have a life outside this forum. Sometimes I have to be off here for days at a time or longer. Real life takes precedent.

 

After all we've learned in these last 3 years do you actually still give any credibility to the FDA? It went along, maybe even led the way, with all the deception and criminal activity of the Plandemic.

Taking FDA at its word is like taking the Pentagon at its word. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

 

This abortion thing is gonna be the nail in the coffin for the right. Even most pro-life women still want to have CHOICE. Most people getting abortions are leftists anyway. They could get more female votes AND less future liberals running around if they would stop with this anti abortion crap.
Think about it.
Trying to take away the abortion pill? The abortion pill is the least horrible of all abortion methods. So then what? They have to drive to another state where they can get an abortion? Then what? Use more carbon emissions to go and have a procedure that could have been taking care of with A PILL?
its stupid if you ask me. With so much more dangerous things on the table like the sexual indoctrination of little innocent children and affirmative action and all of this other authoritarian crapola the left is pushing, abortion is the LEAST of our problems.
This abortion crap also lost us the senate. These right wing politicians need to get a clue and change their stance on this ASAP.

 

I wasn't talking to you. Geez!

 

ABC reports, "South Carolina Republican Rep. Nancy Mace on Sunday warned her conservative colleagues that they would "lose huge" with voters if they continue pursuing strict abortion bans at the state level rather than finding what she called a "middle ground" on the issue.

"Appearing on ABC's "This Week" two days after the Supreme Court paused a federal judge's ruling to restrict access to the widely used abortion pill mifepristone, Mace told co-anchor Martha Raddatz she agreed with that move and urged others in the GOP to avoid extremes.

"Mace referenced a bill signed into law in Florida earlier this month banning most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy and another bill introduced in her home state that could impose the death penalty on women who have abortions.

"Mace, a "constitutional conservative who's pro-life," called those efforts "the wrong message heading into '24."

"We're going to lose huge if we continue down this path of extremities and finding that middle ground -- the vast majority of people want some sort of gestational limits, not at nine months but somewhere in the middle," Mace said. "They want exceptions for rape and incest, they want women to have access to birth control."

Evidently, the Republican is opposed to the state controlling a pregnant woman's health, as is the case in Florida and nearly all Republican states.

Abortion is one of the few election issues voters can actually do something about. The economy? Inflation? Forget it, not even the government can control those issues.

Forum Republicans, do you have anything to add on this?

 

Has the Republican Party been hijacked by the Religious Right?

Many would like to know, but Republicans do not talk about the Republican Party.

CNN reports, "Republican presidential hopefuls seeking support from evangelical voters in Iowa again staked out their positions on abortion Saturday in the wake of a Supreme Court order that shielded access to abortion pills, less than a year after the US Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

"The event in Clive, Iowa, hosted by the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition’s spring kickoff – one of the state’s leading conservative political advocacy groups – gave former Vice President Mike Pence and others a chance to define their stances amid an intensifying 2024 primary.

"Pence sought to draw a contrast between himself and Donald Trump over abortion after the former president received backlash recently from anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America."

 

CNN reports, "House Republicans are abandoning a years-long push by their party to pass a federal abortion ban and are exploring other ways to advance their anti-abortion agenda – a remarkable shift that underscores how the GOP is wrestling with an issue that has become a political landmine for their party.

"In interviews with dozens of Republicans, the vast majority – even among the staunchest opponents of abortion– rejected the idea of Congress pursuing a national ban and said leadership has no plans on the horizon for it to be a centerpiece of their agenda, despite passing federal restrictions on the procedure in previous years when they were in power.

"Republicans say there’s a practical reason for their change in stance: After Roe v. Wade was overturned last summer, they argue that the question of whether to ban abortion is now best left to the states – a position that effectively, and perhaps conveniently, parks congressional Republicans on the sidelines of the national debate."

Conservative judges appointed by Republicans to the Supreme Court overruled Roe vs. Wade, causing a huge national controversy. As other conservative federal judges enter the national debate with highly religious rulings, Republicans now want no part of the monster they created.

That kind of a problem is unique to the Republican Party, create controversies to hide their inability to govern. Republican President Trump was a master at that tactic. He is now the party leader and the leading Republican candidate for the Presidency in 2024.

House Republicans are carrying on the tradition. They favor 50 different laws governing abortions so they don't have to deal with it.

As expected, forum Republicans will say nothing on the matter.

 

You know the real joke in this? Mifepristone simply makes abortion safer and less painful it is Misoprostol that actually causes the abortion

 

Looking at the stats the vast majority occur under 12 weeks - especially with availability of the “abortion pill”. Later abortions (12 -22 weeks are usually due to either lack of access or the woman was unaware she was pregnant. Increasingly with ultra sound those are also detected foetal anomalies with predicted catastrophic survival. The final late term 1-2% are overwhelmingly fatal foetal anomalies

 

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