Yup, another indictment.

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    That isn't one of the charges, though. Gee! Wonder why.

    Calling out the Army would be illegal.
     
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    The military isn't going to do anything. Milley led something of a quiet mutiny when there were riots targeting American cities, and leading up to the WH in the summer of love that year. What makes anyone think the military is going to now, actually defend the country?

    For the military to be consistent in its mutiny against the protection of citizens during 2020, it cannot mobilize now. If they mobilize, that will be yet another sign of evidence that the federal government had no intentions of cooperating with the 2016-2020 Trump Administration. And that's not a particularly good sign.
     
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    You should be worried about what happens at the ballot box.
     
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    They would have been, if for insert whatever reason here that the state would have ended up going to Trump. The Democrats and Republicans each had their own electors, and the electors chosen correspond with the popular vote of that state. If the popular vote was different, so too were the electors.

    This is not a very difficult thing to grasp. Their issue is the timing. Since nothing had changed in the actual facts, the fact being that Biden won the state of Georgia, they wouldn't be able to be the 'official' electors. But even with this, no one had been defrauded. Better said, the issue is not fraud as a matter of an injury to a party. Oh no, in this case the prosecution is arguing that it was fraud to even contemplate the idea of nominating Republican electors.

    Which is laughable. That's not fraud, that's nowhere close to fraud. The government cannot prove an injury and no being butthurt isn't an injury. The C charge that was added, can basically be defeated in Georgia. It's in Trump's interests to have Georgia speed up the Georgian trials, so you can tackle it there and give the DOJ precedence showing that their idea is Fing stupid, because it is



    It doesn't matter whether it's a construct of the state(and actually it isn't, it's one of those things that could be charged with this prosecution's argument, but historically and obviously 8 years ago, they chose not to make it.). A faithless elector is depriving his constituents of their voice, in their absurd argument on fraud. Well then, why didn't they charge? Yes, it's a whataboutism, but it's one that undercuts the government's claim.




    Actually, I just thought of something to tie it up in a neat bow: It's the position of this government, that the 2020 elections was the cleanest election ever. Yet they also allege the widespread fraud of Donald. J. Trump in 2020. So, which is it? The Justice Department cannot argue the election was the cleanest ever, while also arguing Trump defrauded them.

    For those who wanna jump the lingo/TLDR: One question Mr. Smith, where's the injury?
     
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    That is plain false.
     
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    Trump tried to use his authority and pressure VP Pence into abandoning his oath to uphold the Constitution by not completing his mandated
    roll in the vote count of the Electors. Trump ignored Pence's statement to him that the VP did not have the authority to ignore the task
    of completing the peaceful transfer of power. There is NO WAY that you or anyone can argue this did not happen because Trump is recorded
    numerous times saying Pence was not doing his bidding to not compete his Constitutional duty of a peaceful transfer.
     
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    Not my job. Smith will prove it. Count on it.
     
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    Ha! You should be too! There is a very good chance that the GOP will become irrelevant in the future when all this settles.
     
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    True, even your Liberal friends don't deny the mayhem of 2020. The whole 'mostly peaceful' gimmick didn't quite stick, because the innocent victims who had nothing to do with what happened, remember getting pulled out of cars or being beaten, etc.

    The military, under Gen Milley refused to respond. They cannot respond 4 years later to a similar incident, lest they remove whatever credibility they have left, as a governmental institution.
     
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    "'E's a witch...!"
     
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    For crying out loud dude, if you bothered to read the fricking indictment, you'd know the answer to that really ignorant question.

    But I'm feeling good, so I'll give you a REAL big hint without forcing you to read the entire thing.

    Note the day of the election, then read just the first line from paragraph 6..
     
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    Sheer desperation, time as Devon Archer spilled the beans forcing Biden World to finally admit that yeah, he attended meetings, lunches, outings, even joined on phone call as Hunter muled the Joe Biden Bribery empire.

    So why are they panicked into these indictments? Alarm Goes Out: Biden Could Lose Rematch With Trump

    CNN's Harry Enten, who took the Politico assessment a step further. "Trump is not only in a historically strong position for a nonincumbent to win the Republican nomination, but he is in a better position to win the general election than at any point during the 2020 cycle and almost at any point during the 2016 cycle," Enten wrote.

    DOUBLE INCUMBENT RACE only this time, everyone knows that Biden is a bribed crook.

    It's been nearly a 1,000 days since J6, but, the very day of Devon Archer's testimony on the bribery that Trump was impeached for mentioning, the corrupt DOJ drops more indictments.

    What a pathetic clown show. They are going to keep this up, all through the Biden Bribery investigations and the election.

    Show we take bets on when they will get to a hundred counts?

    These crooks aren't even trying to hide their whitewashes and their election fixing, anymore.
     
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    I wish Trump would just drop out
     
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    I had previously said there was almost nothing new to me in this indictment. A more detailed reading later showed me paragraph 64, which is fascinating as I always wondered how New Mexico got into the mix of "swing states".

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    Trump is a Total Clown...
    Well-deserved indictments...
     
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    The corrupt system charging someone based on testimonial evidence, hearsay, motive assignment, and conjecture. Banana republic at its worst.
     
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    Conspiracy to defraud the United States, witness tampering, conspiracy against the rights of citizens, and obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.
     
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    So basically the outlining the conspiracy from mid-November all the way to January. I'm glad they did that too, because at the center of how they were able to piece this case together was the Proud Boys case.

    A low hanging fruit for Trump lawyers is the discrepancy in their OWN timetable. How could the PB be motivated by a vague statement that took place a whole TWO MONTHS before as they allege the scheme began?

    The prosecution has spoken two ways out of its ass ever since Jack Smith took over as Special Counsel If I'm Trump's lawyers, I try to get the DOJ to start speaking straight again.
     
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    Geez. Presidents see a lot of bad news during their administrations, and a lot more news which their partisan opponents might perceive as bad news. You buy into the validity fortune cookie fortunes too, don't you?
     
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    Why bother? Have you ever shown even the tiniest bit of respect towards those who try?

    And who do you mean by "us?"
     
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    It was not leaked. It was released by the DOJ, officially.
     
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