In what way would me not having any reason to be a capitalist be an attack on people worshipping capitalism as a religious faith?
Natural Born, you know you can just slot evolution into your Christian beliefs right? They're not in any way incompatible. Nothing is incompatible with an omnipotent God. The bible isn't a literal record of the creation of the earth. I mean it dedicates what, like a page or two, to the whole creation of the earth? Come on now, it's got to be metaphorical, summarised, whatever. If God wanted to give a complete literal account of the creation of the earth and life on earth he could have, and it would probably be about ten thousand volumes long. Evolution could have been part of gods plan couldn't it? If not, why not? And we've only actually been seriously looking for fossils for a couple of hundred years, we've not even scratched the surface yet. We have found probably hundreds, if not thousands of transitional fossils, google it. Fossils are rare, transitional fossils are rarer still, obviously. Evolution is a fact and a theory, google that as well, or look up some other threads on it. Just because you believe in a god doesn't mean that you can't accept evolution.
So then what other parts of the Bible can you slot into man's superior knowledge? I don't buy that argument for one minute. GOD is omnipotent and can create the universe in 6 days. The church may try to place limitations on HIM, but he is either omnipotent or he isn't. Besides evolution is illogical.
There are plenty of parts in the Bible that we have discovered are false through empirical inquiry. The global flood is a great example. The age of the universe is another. The question of God's limitations and the question of the Bible's limitations are two separate issues. Whether your God has faults or not, your Bible undeniably does. How so?
Noah's flood is evident in geology and has been recorded in most major regions of the world. The age of the universe has been proved by science to not be near millions of years old.
Oh, so you've found a global layer of hydrologically sorted sediment, which is what we would predict if the flood story was true? There is 0 geological evidence of a global flood. Needless to say, a global flood is the sort of thing that should have left global geological evidence. Instead, we've got absolutely zip. So you have scientific proof that the universe is a few thousand years old, as indicated in the Bible?
Are you referring to the geologic column, which does not exist anywhere in the world? Some columns are actually inverted with the base crystalline rocks at the top. When digging in the layers, an evolutionist would expect to find the oldest simplest life forms at the bottom, and the more evolved animals nearer the top. But in fact many of the fossils are in the same strata layer, some of the smaller animals are near the top, etc. etc. Extrapolating backwards, in a few thousand thousand years ,the Sun would engulf the Earth completly.
Take a jar of pond water and let it settle. You will see bands. These bands follow a very specific pattern: sand at the bottom, then silt, then clay. If there were a global flood, we'd expect to see a global layer of sediment exhibiting such ordered bands. No such layer exists. There was no global flood. According to the creationist straw man, yes, but not according to the actual theory of evolution. There are simple life forms today. So, no, we should not only expect to see them at the bottom. We should expect them at every level, and we see them at every level. "More evolved" is a creationist invention. Here's a very simple experiment: the theory of evolution predicts that grass is a new-comer to the plant world (a recent evolution), while ferns are quite old. So we should expect to see ferns at all layers and grass only in the upper layers. Ferns float; grass does not (so long as it breaks surface tension), so if the flood story is true, we should expect to see grass at the bottom and ferns at the top. Guess which one we actually see. Which is no surprise for the theory of evolution. Hm, I wonder why no one with any background in astronomy is making this claim.
<<< Mod Edit: Flamebait Removed >>> Science clearly states and this is FACT. The universe is billions of years old. This is 100% solid fact. The only question is how many billions. <<< Mod Edit: Flamebait Removed >>>
I never said he couldn't create the Earth in 6 days (not the universe mind) just that he probably didn't. You can't place limits on an omnipotent being, for obvious reasons. Doesn't mean you can't see what is more likely to have happened in reality and re-interpret the words of the bible to actually fit what we know about the universe. The bible is all about interpretation, anyone who takes the bible literally, word for word, as absolute truth, has to come up against some serious criticism. Bible was written by humans, there must be human error. Who says that you actually understand the words of the bible the way that God intended them to be understood, hmmm?
If the Humans who wrote the Bible could have errored, then how do you know what is true? How do you know what God wants you to know?
If the Earth was millions/billions of years old, the strata would have been laid one distinct layer at a time. As I stated, that column exists no place on Earth. Millions of years is impossible It is you who are misinformed since you reject anything that does not conform to your religious views.
You do know that the presence of an identical geological column anywhere on earth is an important argument for a global flood, right?
Well, though it seems you've payed plenty of attention to the instruction bombardment from your homeschooling, ministers and Bible study groups, could it be that you've slacked a bit in this area? "The geological column is a tremendous blanket of sedimentary rock that has been found to cover the entire earth. Layers of flood liberated deposits of sandstone, limestone, and shale completely cover every landmass by hundreds of feet. This thick strata has been interpreted by secular scientists to represent the history of life on earth over more than 600 million years. Except where erosion and uplift has removed these layers, there is not one square inch on earth not covered in thick flood strata. The geological column can be traced across entire continents and correlated with similar layers on other continents." Source
...but the column that is depicted in the pro-evolutionary books is never found in that order anyplace on Earth, and is often inverted. So to dig deeper into the dirt and claim to be going back in time, is ludicrous. The Great Noahatic Flood explains the shifting and turbulence, then the tectonic plate movements as the flood waters receded carving out huge canyons in a matter of days fits with the terrain we see today. Even the Grand Canyon walls are not significantly more eroded near the top than the bottom proving a rapid carving of the recently laid, soft walls of the dirt and rock.
I'm not religious so I don't really care. If humans wrote it there must be human error. It was "inspired by" God, not "dictated" by God like the Quran claims. You can't argue against God with logic, God is outside the constraints of logical argument because he is omnipotent. So your question is a bit redundant, but I get your meaning so I'll go with it. Couple of potential answers here. First, nothing is illogical because the bible is not a literal account of the creation of the Earth and or Universe. It for instance, certainly does not go into detail about the infinite number of stars and planets that he also apparently created. Second, how old is the earth according to the bible? Is it... 6000 years old? Think that's the number a lot of Christians claim anyways. Well I hope we can all agree that's wrong. And apparently the dinosaurs went extinct in a couple of days? That will do I guess. You can't prove god exists through "logic", he is inherently separate from logic. Are you ashamed or embarrassed to just go on faith or something? Why do Christians try and -prove- that God exists? It is pointless, and there is no need.
By the way, NaturalBorn, do you have comments to the opening post in the thread Evolution and Creationism are NOT opposites?
My question was more to the inerrant nature of the Bible. Some people of faith believe it to be literal, some pick and choose what is true and what is not, a dangerous practice I would contend.
