PBS Official: Repeal The Natural Born Citizen Clause To Avoid Birther Controversy

Not if the Birthers are honest. No.

They insist that this has nothing to do with any particular President, but is an issue of law. So George W. Bush's particular personal circumstances should not insulate him from the law.

Health yes. Especially when the candidate is of advanced age.

Education records, no. There is no precedent for a presidential candidate to voluntarily release his education records.

Your actual argument here is with your fellow Birthers. It is a matter of much consensus among them that Justice Roberts actually does have the responsibility to vet the President, and that he betrayed his oath to Constitution when he swore him in anyway.

I know... that's idiotic... but so are most other Birther complaints.

 

What? Who has missed the point? And what is that point? And who has no point to make at all?
I'm just contrasting the actions of two presidential candidates when they get challenged on their eligibility.

One candidate immediately releases his birth certificate for all to see and takes the issue head on.

The other? He responds to questions by releasing an abstract (a felonious abstract, by the way, as some contend http://www.scribd.com/doc/47566005/Obama-s-COLB-Forgery-Final-Report-Ron-Polarik-PhD) of his birth certificate (presumably, because no one has ever seen his real birth certificate) on politically friendly blog sites and then refuses to ever address the issue again.

Compare and contrast. Judge for yourself, if you are honest enough.

 

While I agree it is a pro forma ceremony, it is a birther fantasy, often repeated, that Chief Justice Roberts would knowingly swear in the President even if he knew he was not eligible.

Apuzzo, and NB claim that the President must have two citizen parents, and infer this is accepted by others. I may disagree with Roberts on some issues but I have seen nothing to indicate that he is so morally corupt that he would knowingly officiate a ceremony that he knew was illegal. If Roberts agreed with Apuzzo and NB he would not have sworn in the President.

The body with the ultimate responsible for vetting the President is Congress. And Congress did so for Obama exactly as they have for all previous Presidents.

 

We are not.

Candidate Obama was asked to release his birth certificate by a columnist for the National Review, Jim Geraghty on Jun 9, 2008.

Four days later, he voluntarily did exactly that.

We all know the response of the Birther movement.

So what came first? The request for a release of documentation.

What came next? The release of documentation.

What came next? The first of a long line of Birther goal post movement.

No chickens or eggs anywhere to be seen.

Of course this is a lie.

To this moment, McCain has never released a copy of his birth certificate in any form. When challenged in court on the issue of his eligibility, he did exactly the same thing that Obama has done; he successfully moved to have the cases dismissed based on standing.

This is again a lie.

No Presidential candidate has ever behaved in this way.

Once again we are met full on with the complete delusion that serves as the foundation of the Birther movement.

 

Yosh- are you lieing or just have no memory?

As we have discussed with you before John McCain did not ever release his birth certificate for all to see. I have never seen his actual birth certificate. If you are referring to forgery on the internet, that was put out there to show he was not eligible.

Not only that but John McCain was sued just as Obama was and fought his eligiblity lawsuits exactly the same way- he asked to have them dismissed for lack of standing.

So in reality the opposite of what you are claiming is true.

Obama is the only one who responded to questions on his eligibility by providing a copy of his birth certificate, and later had the State he was born in confirm he was born in the U.S. and is a natural born citizen.

McCain never showed the voters his birth certificate.

Another Birther big fail.

McCain thought Birthers were big losers also and refused to play with them either.

 

Compare and contrast indeed. Judge for yourself if you are honest enough.

John McCain never released his birth certificate for all to see.

Barack Obama did.

Compare and contrast. As you said- judge for yourself.

 

McCain's birth certificate WAS NOT the issue.. Nobody ever claimed it was a forgery.... or that it didn't exist.

What makes the State of Hawaii's COLB "felonius"? Many, many states now issue the COLB... including Arizona.

Y'all should be embarrassed.

The McCain issue was bogus and a political ploy by some stupid dems..

 

Actually... there is a fascinating twist to that part of the story.

In one of the Birther cases against McCain (Hollander v. McCain), the birth certificate was an issue. This was because the plaintiff was trying to claim that McCain was not born in the Canal Zone after all, but in the city of Colon, Panama.

So as part of his exhibits, the plaintiff submitted a "McCain birth certificate" that placed his birth at Colon Hospital rather than the Naval Hospital at Coco Solo where he was actually born. This is the birth certificate widely found on the Internet and believed by Birthers to have been released by McCain... but it did not come from him.

And not only did it not come from him, it actually did turn out to be a badly done forgery. A genuine Panamanian birth certificate was whited out and John McCain's personal information typed over the redactions. But the forger made no effort to use a typewriter with a font similar to that used on the genuine document, resulting in complete mismatch between the original and the forged entries.

As another aside, Birthers often like to claim that the "original Birthers" were Democrats going after McCain. In actuality, they are wrong again. Hollander was a conservative Republican who hated McCain. And the second case was Robinson v. Bowen, filed by Alan Keyes's American Independent Party, not only a right wing conservative party but one with an Evangelical Christian foundation.

 

What about your bizarre, queer brand of "honesty" though?

George W. Bush's "particular personal circumstances" must necessarily insulate him from a law that, unfortunately for you and other disinformationists, has nothing to do with him! This is a sad attempt to equate the Connecticut birth of a blue blooded son of a US President to that of Barack Hussein Obama.

And it must be admitted by honest people that since Obama's entire claim to legitimacy clings on the uncorroborated say so of a couple of unknown, unvetted Hawaiian bureaucrats, the circumstances of Bush's and Obama's births couldn't be more dissimilar.

I hate to harp on every single comment you make but what was Bill Clinton's age when he released his health profile?
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/22/us/dole-camp-seeks-disclosure-of-clinton-s-medical-records.html

Even considering what I've already posted about Al Gore, for instance? http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18

Even if (IF) this were not so, how is it we know about Bush's, Kerry's & Gore's etc, college records and NOT Barry Sotero Obama's? Or do privacy concerns apply only to the Stonewaller himself?

My argument is with the people that try and pretend that Chief Justice Roberts of the United States Supreme Court has the special duty to play like Lt. Detective Columbo and personally investigate Obama before he swears him in.
The last person to try and make that leap of fact was you. So I take it up with you. Whoever makes that claim is just claiming things that aren't so.

 

That's very interesting.. Even if he wasn't born at the base hospital, that had no bering on McCain's US citizenship.

Evangelical Christians are often very dumb.......

 

Well, we have your assurances of this, but, oddly enough, I don't see the slightest bit of evidence to back up your claim.
Fortunately I'm not interested in going off in the weeds looking for McCain's evidence when Obama's is still in such doubt. One case at a time please (the case that really matters, that is).

But even IF this (the McCain stuff) were true, it still doesn't cover why Obama will not release his own birth certificate (particularly when his own b.c. will undoubtedly corroborate his version of things). It's a no lose decision for Obama yet he still will not make it.

 

Amazingly... in the real universe... things that never happened do not leave evidence of their not happening.

However we do know that both McCain Birther cases were dismissed based on standing as the result of his lawyers so moving. They were Hollander v. McCain and Robinson v. Bowen. And we do know that the McCain birth certificate circulating on-line is a forgery.

So there you go. Hopefully now that you know better you will never reuse that lie in the future.

 

Not if we are a nation of laws rather than of men. John Adams would slap you silly.

Obama has provided more proof of his citizenship than any other President in American history. That includes George W. Bush.

Nothing in that statement is true. So no, it need not be admitted by any honest person. President Obama's claim to legitimacy has more actual public documentation than that of any other President in our history.

50. How is that harping on what I said since it does not contradict it?

Tell us, Yosh... how did Gore's academic record become public? Hint... not from Gore.

Obama's haven't been leaked yet. Duh.

That would be with your fellow Birthers then. They are the ones who have expressed outrage that he did not.

Oh? Where did I ever make that claim? I am genuinely curious because since it is not something that I believe, I would be surprised to find I ever said I did.

Please... link to where I said anything along the lines of "Chief Justice Roberts of the United States Supreme Court has the special duty to play like Lt. Detective Columbo and personally investigate Obama before he swears him in."

I'd love to see it.

 

I suppose his being white had a lot more to do with it.

 

Sure but I wasn't born in the US. Both of my parents are Americans, but my dad was working for a bank oversees. So technically, I do believe that I couldn't be president because of that. That seems kind of stupid because they moved back to the US when I was two.
I might be wrong though, but I think I'm not eligible

 

Do you have any proof of that, or are we expected to take your word on it?

 

Good news.

If McCain was eligible (and the Congress said he is) then you are eligible too.

 

But how about the things that do happen (like what you maintained)? That's sort of what I was after.

Well the issue of standing once again makes sure that none of these issues will ever be addressed in a court.
So for my money, nothing has been decided with regard to McCain's claim.

And I love how you lead me to a blog that assures me the McCain b.c. is a fraud, so I'm just supposed to accept that.
But when the shoe is on the other foot.....I'm sure you give it the same respect and regard you show to the other....right? My blog says the Obama COLB is an utter fraud. What do you know about that?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Except based on your criteria (law suits, lack of standing, my blog says so) I'm not sure you've established a real
level of evidence here. In fact, you haven't. So there you go.

 

hawaii doesn't issue long forms.

 

obama already released his BC.

 

And he would no doubt boot you in the acorns for running your scam.

By virtue of being the son of a United States President, GW Bush has provided more ispo facto proof than Obama could ever dream of providing.
Of, course, Obama's proof rests entirely on the uncorroborated say so of two unknown unvetted entities, so there is even more reason to believe Bush over Obama.

Repeating a disingenuous fable does not legitimize that fable. Obama's entire claim to legitimacy rests purely in his Hawaiian COLB, which
we are supposed to accept due to the uncorroborated, unsubstantiated, unconfirmed and unvetted word of a couple of faceless bureaucrats.

Not interested in this sidetrack. You said that presidents were asked to divulge their health standing due to concerns of old age. Clinton was quite young, as presidents go.

Well Harvard says they did not divulge Gore's transcripts either. So we are left to believe that they just magically landed in the public's lap one day.

Yes (duh). But why have all the other candidate's grades been let out of the bag but somehow Obama has escaped this treatment?

That's not what I have seen. Every single time some dope acts like Justice Roberts has vouched for Obama's constitutional bona fides, it happens to be a cretinous
apologist for Obama.

It shouldn't be hard to find if you just look back in this thread a ways.

 

That "birther" that you tried to pin the John Roberts should certify the president bit of ignorance on is none other than fellow O-bot Dick Tuck, in post #186.
So yeah, it was not you specifically. But no, it was not a birther, either. Far from it. You are off base once again.

 

Yeah they do.
Or at the very least, they did as recently as last month.

Check the date.

 

whom to believe, the state of hawaii, or a birther blog? hmmmmmmmmmm

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

 

I can work with "He doesn't want to". I can even accept "He doesn't need to". But "He can't"? That's an outright lie. I don't accept it and I don't think the average American does either.