God tells you to kill your son

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This is amusing, is there interference preventing you from reading my mind correctly?

What was to leave out? Any knowledgeable person should know what story I was referring to, there really wasn't a need on my part to justify what I find disgusting, the command to sacrifice your kin for the benefit of a jealous and malicious god.

If you wish to, you can, however thats your deal.

 

No objection to the question. I answered it. No I wouldn't (except for the case of my son murdering others). It's inconsistent with the God of the New Testament to even request it.

 

So many fairy stories involve a TEST.. Like Rapunzel being given to the witch over a mess of radishes. Its a common theme throughout history.

 

Have you ever been in the water among a school of sharks? Have you ever seen up close and personal what a shark can do to the human body? No? Then you are only speculating on what you would do. It is easy to say that you would do this or that when sitting in the comfort of your chair in front of a computer ... "I will kick your *** " .... commonly referred to as selling 'wolf-tickets'. Throwing out the facade of being 'mr macho' while inwardly hoping that the receiver of those words will not accept the challenge. So go ahead, run your mouth with your wild speculations. Most all of us will understand your rationale and will also know that you are speculating.

 

Common response within forums such as this, where there is no means of enforcing a requirement to answer a question even if there was such a requirement.

 

I have to admit that your response is both more logical and more honest than most answers that have been submitted to my question. I commend you on all three points that you use to base your answer. As for the roasting... Not likely.. IMHO.

 

First, I am well aware of sharks. That is part of the reason I would do it. There aren't schools of hungry sharks that instantly jump on anything that falls off a cruise ship. I can address an unrealistic scenario with an unrealistic action.

 

Is it? Or are you again leaving out key portions in order to present the case in the most spun, inaccurate light imagineable?

What you are asking is, "So, I am an atheist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag, and I have a constant fear that God, whom I do not think is real because you guys are all violent, is going to ask me to kill my son who I am too young to even have ... out of the blue and for no reason! So, what should I do as an atheist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag, other than tell people that they are scum for having this in their Bible?"

Is that about right?

Well, lets look it in another light, a more accurate light that even hardened (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags will understand shall we?

Lets say you are a Soldier? One who has fought under a general for years, and in every battle, sometimes highly unorthodox battles, outnumbered, outgunned, and even on terrain that greatly favors the enemy, he pulls off one stunning victory after another. No matter what, he just seems to beat the pants off his enemies - and does so without ever killing civilians, and light loses to boot.

Then one day, despite previous statements about avoiding killing civilians, he tells that a village has gone over to the enemy and that you will need to destroy it utterly. What would you do?

Do you trust this man or not?

And that is what this is really about, trust. Do you havea freind that you would do anything for at the drop of a hat and without explanation? If not, you are missing out on some very important things.

And in this story, the point is that faith in God, trust in God was so great that he would risk his own Son in trust in God - and God delivered EVERY TIME. As a result of this rock steady faith in God, Abraham's descendants are now, as promised, as numerous as the stars - are they not?

So, here is a simpler task from God, stop deliberatey misrepresenting what he does and why he does it. Being delliberately ignorant is not a good thing. Ripping something non-contextually out of the Bible like your first reading of it conveys greater knowledge that everyone else? Then the accepted and widely taught explanations? That is (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)baggery - nothing more.

 

They are the same god.

 

I do enjoy your rants.

As I have said many times before.

 

More lashing out. Answering questions as put forth?

Well, when something seems reasonable, you have no ability to lash out do you? Somehow that is our fault?

I do love how atheists just sit back and watch these antics with nary a comment, telling us that love, tolerance, and morality are the keys to their atheism. Unless of course you are Christian, then we can lie about your faith, present in as mental health issues, and slam you and your value as a human being?

Nice faith.

 

Lashing out? I am not the one foaming at the mouth with each and every post. You are the angry one my dear friend.

"What you are asking is, "So, I am an atheist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag, and I have a constant fear that God, whom I do not think is real because you guys are all violent, is going to ask me to kill my son who I am too young to even have ... out of the blue and for no reason! So, what should I do as an atheist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag, other than tell people that they are scum for having this in their Bible?"

Is that about right?

Well, lets look it in another light, a more accurate light that even hardened (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags will understand shall we?"

 

Agh, yeah, you are. That is pretty much ALL you are doing.

You have taken the story of Abraham and are using it to tell people you have never met that they are violent scum bags, repeatedly ignoring those who have given you the proper context of the story.

Like most angry young men and internet bullies, you simply don't like it when people confront you.

And now, having been confronted, comes the tears of victimization.

Why shoudl YOUR opinions, based on slanted ignorance, be afforded respect? Why should they not be treated to the derision that petulance and deliberate ignorance earns?

I mean, we all know how atheists would react to people saying that if you are an atheist you are a murderer! But really, you are a victim.

 

lol

I enjoy your rants, the irony is always blinding.

 

Different agreement between us and God.

 

This isn't an issue of trust. Deliberate killing of non-combatants is a war crime and a soldier would correctly refuse to comply with the order and report the commander for issuing an unlawful order.

I draw a line at violating the unalienable Rights of others.

I trust people because they have done things to deserve that trust. "God" hasn't done anything to deserve the trust of anyone.

If Abraham's descendants refers to the Jewish people it is estimated to be about 13,300,000 people.

http://jewishtemples.org/

The estimate of stars in the universe is about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or more.

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM75BS1VED_index_0.html

It's going to take awhile before the decendents of Abraham equal the number of stars in the universe and they're going to require a lot more planets than just Earth to do it.

BTW I always find it amazing that Christianity refers to itself as a monotheistic religion and yet it believes in multiple gods. There's the God of Abraham, "his" son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. It is very much like the ancient Greek religion and other religions that believed in multiple dieties.

It is also interesting is the fact that the book of Revelations (20:14) refers to the God of Abraham tossing the Greek God Hades into the lake of fire.

http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20:14-15&version=NIV

Apparently the Greeks were also worshiping ligitimate Gods other than the God of Abraham. Seems that different religions from about the same historical time period can't be separated from each other. Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Christian God(s)... why not throw in the Viking Gods as well? Either all of these Gods are ligitimate Gods or more likely we have a cross-over of ancient mythology.

 

Yet Atheists demand that Christians 'justify' their faith, their belief, their convictions, even their religion? Thanks for admitting that at least you, among the Atheists, do use double standards in exercising your belief system. BTW: another word for 'justify' is "rationalize".

 

Since you're using a little g i can only assume that you are referring to your god molech? ashtoreth? baal? milcom? chemosh? saulalinsky? hoffa? I don't know but i would assume you would do it. Personally, my God does not require the blood sacrifice of his creations.

 

I thought the "God of Abraham" required blood sacrifices. Didn't the Hebrew people in the Old Testament offer animal sacrifices? Don't Christians symbolically drink the "blood" of Christ in carrying on that religious tradition?

 

In those early days yes. Innocent unblemished animals died. I don't know why blood is required for sin. Only God does. But for us, he made the ultimate sacrifice of His Own son so that no sacrifice is needed ever again. No. We don't drink His Blood. We drink wine and we do this in remembrance of his sacrifice. So we're not actually eating his body or drinking his blood. if you're interested there is a part of scripture that explains that. I'll see if i can find it.

 

Hmmm... I thought the "bread and wine" of communion were symbolic of the body and blood of Jesus.......

 

Definitely reminds of the comedy film "Year One" when Jack Black and Michael Cera run across Abraham about to sacrifice his son to 'God'. Very funny part.

Ah here it is;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bofDaKjWTNs"]Abraham Playing Burny Burny Cut Cut With Issac - YouTube[/ame]

 

Spoken like a true Westerner, and I agree.

However, history, sieges, even the recent history of WWII, point in a different direction does it not?

And when a trusted gneral orders you to firebomb Toyko or Dresden .... circumstance matters a great deal.

If the commander intends to use you as a show of force, and tehn show up and stop the angry subordinate .... that is a tactic to, and he may not tell you about it before hand - which is what God did to Abraham.

The get violated all the time. Sometime, if you value you these things, you have to be willing to defend them. If not? You lose them.

However, it is not helpful to have critics looking over your shoulder who say that it is wrong, deplorable, and they offer no alternative solutions. Did teh anciet Jews have a right to defend their culture? Their values? Their homes?

Not according to many of the atheists in this forum they did not.

Nor have many atheists done much to earn his trust and devotion. Its no accident that Abraham was the one entrusted with this task.

No atheist is going to get it. Most likely you would get something simple like, "Stop taking illogical license with the Biblical narrative, you can disagree without being disrespectful."

Funny that atheists never focus on the tasks that God asks of all of, and focus on the extreme.

All adherents to the Abrahamic Religions are his descendants. All before, and all after. We are hardly done yet.

The fact that we use different words to describe the same God is hardly a defeating thing. He does have different natures, and trying to turn the obvious into polytheism is hardly kosher.

There are also these things called demons. Satan is the 'God' of Hell.

The evidence, once again, for teh Viking Gods is not the same as the evidence for God. The guilt by association methodology does not work.

After all, grass is green or teh Big Bang is true or my door is made of wood does not equate to God being real either. It works both ways.

 

That sounds like the Devil.

Well it does. It's the kind of thing we ascribe to the Devil. How is that a fair way to treat anyone?

Yeah right.

You know he can bring his "son" back to life? You know his son went "up" to be with him? How is it a sacrifice to bring your son back to be with you? The rest of us lose our families when they die and that is how your God has made this world. Not exactly a pleasant act on the part of an entity which is claimed to love us and want the best for us. What is the point...did He also create tough love?

I am incorruptible and if anyone/thing asked me to do that, I know where the knife would be stuck and so do you.

As to sharks, yes, I'd jump in and bite their eyes out. What's the point of staying around without your family? Happy life that would be.

Religious affiliates leave out all of the facts and the obvious...reality...and just fill it with fiction. They say - Don't care what the reality is, we are believing in this and nothing you can say will make us face the truth.

Get off it. All religious people and every Priest interprets the stories in the Bible and applies them to everyday life. Every religious text is subject to interpretation. People spend their lives discussing questions of theology. Theology is a big interesting subject.

No. I wouldn't lie and I wouldn't avoid the truth or twist it in any way. Not going to ask if you would do the same.