Gay Teen Suicide: A Range of Causes

Actually, my views line up readily with the most credible mental health organizations in the world (the APA being just one of them). I know this, because I've read much of what they've researched and found to be reality.

Anyone should challenge someone who tries to depict homosexuality as being an illness; it isn't.

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Actually, my views line up readily with the most credible mental health organizations in the world (the APA being just one of them). I know this, because I've read much of what they've researched and found to be reality.

Anyone should challenge someone who tries to depict homosexuality as being an illness; it isn't.

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More to Consider

Even MORE to Consider

 

Youve been dodging the issue for so long, youve forgotten what the issue is. To review for the memory challenged members-

 

Ah but does Maddow take down straight to gay conversion? No?

Why not? If everyone is "born that way" wouldn't it be fair to say that if there are members of the straight ranks who are "closeted gay", there would be members of the gay ranks who are "closeted straight"? If there was a lot of pressure in a large gay community like the bay area, would someone there who was pressured to experiment with homosexuality and then "become a member of the GLBTQ community" but then found themselves secretly longing for a straight relationship, wouldn't that person fit all the parameters of a "closeted straight"?

And what of "gays" who are attracted to all the trappings of the opposite gender? Like a lipstick lesbian attracted to mannish women or a butch gay man being attracted to a femme? Aren't these just expressions of closeted straight behavior of a confused mind?

Let me guess: the official answer from the gay militants is an emphatic 'NO!' And yet ask those same militants if a straight man attracted to all the trappings of the same gender, like strong women who wear men's clothing or have a lot of body hair and the answer then would be an emphatic "YES, he is a closeted gay!"

So to recap, if you're straight and show signs of being gay, you are beloved and welcomed by the gay community. If you are in the gay community and show signs of being straight you are a non-entity, a freak "who just needs more counseling to be OK with your "gayness"...

And how is that not hypocritical?

 

I am sure that somewhere out there out of 7 billion people there is domineering that is acting gay that is straight. I don't know of any nor have I ever heard of it but I am sure it exists.
To them I would say be with those you love, not who those around you say you should love.

However I know people that have struggled for years because of their desire to be straight. Including a few that are married with children that are going against who they really are. It's sad when we live in a "free" country where people are forced to male decisions like these so people like you will not harass them and belittle them.

 

"Forced"??? How did they do that? Didnt he choose to subordinate his sexual desires to his desire for social acceptance? I know thats the only reason I dont do fat ugly girls.
“In the secret coming together of two human bodies, all society is the third
presence.” J. Rostand

 

...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.

http://www.colorado.edu/Sociology/gimenez/work/GIDDENS.TXT

 

It was actually a chick that has kids, she got married just because the disdain of her friends/family. Altho I do know a married guy that has gotten married despite his true feelings but I must his wife is really attractive.

Good try tho

 

Attracted to the irrelevant, like a moth to a flame, arent you?

"Forced"??? How did they do that? Didnt she choose to subordinate her sexual desires to her desire for social acceptance? I know thats the only reason I dont do fat ugly girls.
“In the secret coming together of two human bodies, all society is the third
presence.” J. Rostand

 

Wrong. Ignoring the insanity of your views, isn't "dodging the issue". If you made good sense overall, I'd follow along with what you say... not necessarily agree with the BS you're typically putting down on here.

No, I've often worked diligently to DISMISS the things you are getting at, because they are basically NUTZ!! I've tried to take you seriously, numerous times. But at so many junctures found your views to be logically, socially and morally untenable overall. I'm not saying that you cannot HOLD those views personally... but that that others need not necessarily align themselves with what you think or believe.

Review for YOURSELF. Just know here/now we 'disagree'.

 

What about you? You will only care for their soul provided they change their sexuality to suit YOU. Otherwise you continue to NEGATE them.

Now you're linking gay teen suicide to the gay culture that doesn't care for their soul? That values them only for copulation? Good grief.

Why do straight teens commit suicide? For the same reasons that gay teens do or for different ones? Should the straight teen change their sexuality so they won't commit suicide? What do you think?

 

Did people put a gun to their head, no. Did societal norms imprint what others see as normal eventually leading to them being with a partner while always thinking/fantasizing of the same sex, absolutely.
Both of the two people I am referring to are unhappy but feel they have an obligation to their peers/parents/family. And in the case of one of them they do because she has kids.

As for your fat ugly girls comment, you are trying to link this all to sex when it is about a whole lot more than that. Emotional connections are lacking in these relationships, which is sad. Love > Sex

And I have plenty of buddies that will "do" any type of chick you put in front of them so I guess society is missing that train

 

I care about the REASONS gay teens are committing suicide. Apparently you missed the part about gay teen suicides being on the rise EVEN SURROUNDED BY SUPPORT AND AN ENTIRE GAY COMMUNITY. Apparently that's not enough to keep them from killing themselves. And since that rules out bullying at least in those cases, we have to look for other causes...

I suggest starting at the most recent victim's role model, the male "Lady" Gaga who dons a meat-dress and sings about being "born that way". Right there is your first clue muchacha..

That is unless you aren't really interested in truly understanding ALL the causes of gay teen suicide and only want to focus on the ones [bullying] that garner the most political kneejerk support...using young people's untimely deaths to forward blindly a subcultural takeover?

Which one of is hateful then? The one who stubbornly wants to only focus on one cause of gay teen suicide or the one who wants to leave no stone unturned until we get to the bottom of it? Remember, gay teens, surrounded by acceptance and entire gay communities are still offing themselves. In fact this latest victim in his youtube comments even said he recently had gotten "so much support and love" from everyone about being gay. Then he killed himself. Read the OP scenario again. Take a quiet moment and really ponder what is going on inside the mind of the gay teen..

I'm not saying any gay teen should be forced to any type of therapy at all. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. What is happening is that even when gays themselves elect to seek a straight life they are denied counseling to do so and the gay militants have cornered the APA so much that any counselor who dares to help gay teens in this way can lose their license to practice.

That's pretty harsh. Wonder how many teens committed suicide because they felt they had no way out? No access to even think about talking about any straight inclinations? I'm about letting them decide for themselves, even if that decision means staying gay or going straight. Gay militants aren't so permissive...

 

Sorry, I don't 'believe' you.

 

Believe me. I knew a guy who was molested as a boy by a man in his family, went on to be a compulsive gay hypersexual [#1 symptom of molestation], contracted HIV and died of AIDS. He was a family friend. Since this all happened within the last couple decades post-gay-militant-APA takeover, "nothing" was deemed to be wrong with his lifestyle. Not sure how many other men he infected in the years he went undiagnosed before coming down with full-blown AIDS.

I care. A lot. I have a personal connection to the denial-system preserving the "gay lifestyle". I've read the literature on molestation, it's presentation. On malleability of sexual orientation in mammals and use in the AI industry. I've read gay vernacular and seen the astounding numbers of terms inductees use to refer to future potential inductees. I've met and know scores of gay people in my days. I see how the vast majority of them are sexual extroverts. How they always manage to weave sexual innuendo into conversations. I've seen the "pride" parades and the public exhibition fleshtivals there. I know what "screaming for help" looks like. Most people do. Only a small minority see these things as anything other than outward signs of sexual tampering early on.

Ask law enforcement and what they look for in children for signs of molestation. Or go to a gay pride parade. Same thing... No signs of "tampering" here. Everything looks perfectly normal. They were all "born that way"...undoubtedly...

 

I suspect that most "Gay Teen Suicide", isn't related specifically to that. If anything, it is the hate/negativity pour upon homosexual people in this 'society' which makes contributes primarily to the same.

 

Soooooo nobody was "forced", they made a decision of their own free will.

 

What "decision" do you think or believe is being made?

 

Here is what johnny thinks is insane=

Here is what Johnny is labeling BS-

No one doubts your commitment to transgender surgery but your silly little declarations of "NUTZ", "BS" and "insanity" dont negate the FACT that "Many mental health professionals are starting to reconsider transgender surgery". I think you are just having a little trouble accepting this reality.

 

Look, your silly little 'interpretations' of what certain professionals may have meant, doesn't make you (or anyone else) an authority.

In essence, it is the CONCLUSIONS which you guys come to, which reveal that what you interpret, is BS. I've read and listened to many credible professionals over the years, and all I will say now... is that ANYONE coming here and reading these posts, should check for themselves what is true and tenable from a REPUTABLE source.

Don't base their conclusions upon what I or anyone else says WITHIN THIS FORUM. It is fine that we discuss things here, but NO ONE posting here is an authority on the matters being discussed. Though many may refer to or link to some source, the course of discussions here are primarily for entertainment and are in no way "authoritative". People need to note that, as they read/participate.

 

To get married to someone of the opposite sex and have kids, of course. The other poster thinks society "forced" her to do that.

 

Like what?

What "Agenda" exactly?

And you have determined this, how? How are you so certain that people (in-general) gay/straight are NOT concerned about children/teens overall? Can you share exactly how you've come to this conclusion?

One "always" hears that? That is a LIE and an exaggeration ALL-IN-ONE. I admit that there is some relatively recent 'focus', but any actual expert I've listened to or read, makes it clear that research and application of various solutions are ongoing and in-work. Somehow, you think or believe that everyone who doesn't agree with you, is "always" saying some nebulous thing from an agenda which you have yet to show or prove.

And you have heard CREDIBLE scientists claim that "gayness is genetic" when/where? I'm a gay guy who keeps up with this stuff, and haven't heard anyone who is reputable make the claim you're making here. (In essence, your claim above, is invalid.)

Sorry, not all gays and no reputable scientists would be saying what you claim. Why are you both exaggerating propagating such untruths?

Okay. It is fine that YOU see some of these things as being "possible", but certainly you cannot be saying this in any manner that is authoritative. You have not shown PROOF that what you are claiming is absolutely scientific fact. If you present that as a personal OPINION... that is fine. To come to and state such as if it is scientific fact or absolutely conclusive... is BS.

There are many and various scenarios one can share, which point to many reasons why "teens" in-general (not merely those who are gay) tend to be more susceptible to suicide. Gay teens are at higher risk, for a host of reasons, having nothing to do with their sexual-orientation per se... but to the social effects foisted upon them by other human beings (within society itself).

Yes, it is. Even so, the 'fragility' of minds and 'preciousness' of that human life are concerns which are being studies and addressed in numerous ways besides those you have tended to relate here in this thread.

And as this thread ages (as many read through its content), I hope that they are astute enough to research the findings of reputable scientists who are experts on the matter. While discussion here can be interesting or entertaining... NO ONE SHOULD BASE THEIR FINAL VIEWS UPON WHAT IS SHARED WITHIN THIS FORUM. (That would be a terrible idea.)

 

You aren't being serious or pragmatic; perhaps you don't realize that.

In any case, if someone is "homosexual", it doesn't make sense to compel them to be something other than what they are.

 

A GOP landslide in 12 won't help ...

 

Well, weve gone from "forced" to "compel". It was neither. Not everybody defines their very existance by their sexuality.