Should we trust people who use Stormfront as a source?

I knew a man who was in the KKK. He wore robes, went to meetings, attended rallys with cross burnings but I never once heard him say anything racists. I just sort of leaped to that conclusion.

Now, with President Obama, he has made racist comments but putting that aside, he spent 20 years in a racist church and called the minister a mentor. He associates with other racists and supports them. He exploits race issues with other racists like Al Sharpton and Louis Farrahkan. No, I have no more problem saying President Obama is racist than I do saying Al Sharpton and Louis Farhakan are racists. Or Professor Bell was racist.

consider the incident in Cambridge with Professor Gates. President Obama said he didn't know what happened but Professor Gates was right and the police officer was wrong and this was an example of what black men put up with daily. That was clearly a racist statement since he said he didn't know what happened. He also doesn't have a clue what black men put up with but that's a different issue. When he did find out what happened he had to try and walk it back and, not surprisingly, the media let him off the hook.

President Obama is the most racist president in the last 70 years.

 

Bias isn't really something that can discredit a source in terms of reliability. Not according to logical reasoning, anyway. Attempting to discredit a source based on bias is the ad hominem circumstantial logical fallacy. Basically, the principle is that the information is valid until it's countered as invalid. Stormfront's information has been proven to be untrue at least once before. Therefore in that regard it is not reliable. It is unsavory to use information which comes from a racist website, but that by itself wouldn't make it "invalid" or "untrustworthy."

 

If you are not clear as to why those that suscribe as in participate directly with stormfront.that be fascist children nasty men that only the communists want dead!

let them spew their poison better to know who to get later in the process .so spew away connect with stormfront by all means.

Fascists deserve killing as a political discussion.Brevik case in point.

 

I can say this about Stormfront. They do have a fairly accurate accounting for how WWII actually started in Gleiwitz Germany (the town my father was born in and was living in when it happened) ... and yes I am a fairly non active member of that site trying to gain more info on the town itself.

 

A little over two years ago I read a piece on Google and the site was stormfront. I also had read some of the NBP and the KKK stuff researching for my newsletter. I was heavily against forced integration of the races, voluntary mixing is and was fine with me. I read SF's mission statement and rules and was surprised. They said they did not allow anything even remotely aligned or that supported violence against anyone which was more I could say for the NBP or the KKK (the milder national Klan). Anyway I joined stormfront and was a member a short time. I became disillusioned with the staff and the site after some comments were made about blacks and Jewish people. So I tried to get my membership deleted which is impossible to do. So be careful what you join ha ha! I believe I am a member of the NBPs too, but not the Klan even the nicer Klan. Being from east TN I know people in the Klan and they are not someone I would trust with my dog.

reva

 

Using stormfront as a source is the equivalent of using Tabloid Newspapers as a source. The questionable veracity of much of the site content excludes them as a reliable source.

 

Years ago I read a book about responding to rumors in times of crisis. The conclusion was that countering the rumors took more time than starting new rumors and was doomed to fail so the logcial course was to start more, contradictory, rumors and overload the system. Get it to the point that no one trusted the rumors.

With Stormfront, or with the DNC, I assume they have no qualms about lying and it's not worth my time to research each bull(*)(*)(*)(*) statement they make. Therefore, it's an unreliable source that I will not consider. But, what if Stormfront or the DNC write something true. As unlikely as it is, who care.

How many times does someone have to lie before you cross them off your list of reliable sources?

 

and let me guess - you quickly accept the government educational stories of what and why the civil war became what it did.

Even Obama used to tout things about Abraham Lincoln - until he figured out that Honest Abe was more about taking from the south than giving to the slave.

 

Its fairly easy to learn who the real racists are on Stormfront. They are very easy to spot as are the charlatans when posting as a knowledgeable person or expert on a subject. All or most message boards are of a general quality which is to be expected. I have never met a group or source that I couldn't learn something from, even national enquirer (not that I would read such a lowly mess...) . In one way I was proud to be a member of SF, because I think I wanted to prove to myself I wasnt a bigot, and that there was even in a radical group we could learn to live with one another. However, eventually I became disillusioned and began avoiding going to the site because of some members and several Mods really really REALLY despised my defense of Israel

So I asked that my account deleted...I hadn't been a member long, but noooo' couldn't do that! So' for reasons like those I could not recommend the site to anyone, even a real neo nazi skinhead.

reva

 

Ole Abe was a war criminal. Well that is a little rich but fairly true. Many people can not see through their PC blinders to understand things like that, or maybe they are simply too proud? If I had of lived back in the 1840s> I would have fought for the Confederacy, not because I agree with slavery, but because I am a rabid states rights proponent. If the south won the civil war and I were a powerful confederate politician I would rapidly began phasing out slavery as well as some other items. States would sink or swim without federal help. The federal government would be neutered and gutted. I would bet without the federal Frankenstein monster called the federal debt saddling us our future would be as bright as a Texas landowners standing on top of a massive crude oil spindle top salt dome in 1920.

I doubt if we would have entered either WW1 or WW2 Korea. or Nam for several reasons, chefily we would not have been able to afford it! Nor would we be able to agree with fifty fiercely independent states that could not be blackmailed by the federal government! Well I digress...

reva

 

there were documents (letters) where some plantation owners were already discussing a change in the way the plantations were going free the slaves.

Also - Ol' Abe thought the black was to be no more than a third class citizen.

Some historian's have said the real reason for the secession was because the Federalist government was angry with the fact that the south was selling cotton and cloth to Europe (like France who supported them) for more than the north wanted to pay.

What many people didn't connect to the slave issue of the civil war was that the government wanted to tax the plantation owners with additional property tax on slaves which the plantation owned. It wasn't initially about the freedom.

One thing that really makes me laugh is how so many white hating blacks still hold near and dear the old southern master's dialect of English.

SIDE FACT: Last place to sign the papers to rejoin the USA was a town in New York State called "Town Line" about 15 to 20 minutes outside of Buffalo NY.

They signed in 1946.

 

That has no relevance to my post.

Would you use Wikipedia as a source? Why or why not?

 

So I could generalize and make comments about "the typical black person"?

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to have consistent arguments?

 

Maybe you should arm yourself with more knowledge than what you acquired sitting on the couch watching TV.

 

And what is inconsistent about my argument?

Other than what you've imagined?

 

The question not be so much "should we trust...." but "should we ban...".

Just sayin'.

 

Using any source that is coming from one the many media outlets and forums that are setup/created/caused by this system cannot be trusted, because most news sources are propaganda to misinform/deceive/confuse the people/masses. They keep fitering information from a story/history to let the news reader believe/think that that news was the full story, the truth. People should always dig deeper into the matter/source, and self think/find out. Today people's minds/thoughts are changed/massively manipulated/altered/confused as never before in history. A century of ideology, deception and social engineering and propaganda. If people start to believe ideology than that works as a religion (becomes orthodox), very hard to change their minds, what was told to them or what they read must be real, must be the truth (this is how Germany became an empire, they kept propagating the German people, today mind control is done in the same way, but way more massive)
Remember this propaganda/mind control/filter/deception war has increased fast since the turn of this new century. Problem is that a reader often cannot see/sense what news media or forum is part of this system (and their sources) Explain to people that the source they have read was 'infected' (half the story/a lied story, propaganda)

 

Another question:
Should we trust the mainstream medias?

Mainstream medias are called independend and free but this makes them that dangerous, when they are forced into line in truth.
They manipulate, dramatize, keep seceret, lie and show off in front of the consumers as judges of good and evil.

 

What knowledge is there regarding stormfront, that will enlighten and inform?

 

Before the banning view.

There are some forum members in this topic who are defending stormfront. Give them a chance to validate their position. If they can.

I put it to you, stormfront obsessives. Why do you defend a openly racist forum. For what reason and are you brave enough to admit and explain your own racism to this community.

 

I have already heard the arguments.

So why entertain them any further?

 

I have not read the arguments. I am also curious what these forum members will say in justification and defense to stormfront.

Although, i doubt they be honest in their racism but a few might have the balls to explain.

 

Of course you should trust those people. It's racist? No (*)(*)(*)(*) sherlock. It's a KKK forum....

I'll read liberal talking points, posts, and blogs for ammo in my debates. It's just gathering data.

The military reads and participates on Jihadi forums and sites to gain information on how to stop these people.....it's gathering data.

Unless their post contains racist content (not quotes from said source) then I wouldn't count StormFront as anything more than a source. It's the same as any other site that's one sided and bias.

 

How exactly would you describe a racist? And if you say a racist is one showing or speaking hate, then wouldn't the word racist describe you for your hate of an all-white membership over at Stormfront? My point here is that calling someone a racist (whether they are or they aren't) takes away from what could be considered a great learning debate for racists and non-racists alike.

 

If you want to play with word describtions that is fine but it does not change the fact that a forum like stormfront is fundermentally racist.

It is what it is. As you pointed out in your passionte defense (all white)

Now are we not allowed to call it racist when it practises racism?

This nonsense may work online but in real life in decent society it would not be tolerated.